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  • 1.  retroactvity of j(2) of revised amendment after Landers?

    Posted 03-01-2016 04:07 PM
    So, I know that Landers just came down which irrefutably states that (j)1 of the revised statute (setting forth a rebuttable presumption at full retirement age) is in no way applicable to Agreements entered prior to September 14, 2014. Instead, the Landers Court set forth that (j)3 was applicable since it expressly referenced Agreements prior to September 14, 2014 and created a legal mechanism for retirement once a party reached full retirement age.

    Here is the question: conveniently, Landers does not address if (j)2 (which discusses a legal mechanism for party's retiring before full retirement) is applicable only to agreements made before September 14, 2014, or if it, like j(3), is retroactive.

    My gut tells me j(2) was not meant to be retroactive because it does not expressly reference its application to agreements made before September 14, 2014. Only j(3) address agreements made before September 14, 2014. j(1) and j(2) do not. Therefore, I would think j(3)is the only section that can be applied retroactively.

    Any thoughts would be Greatly appreciated!!!!!!


  • 2.  RE: retroactvity of j(2) of revised amendment after Landers?

    Posted 03-01-2016 05:50 PM

    Anticipatory retirement is not retroactive, IMO.

    It did not exist before, so it does not exist now.

    Hanan

     


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    So, I know that Landers just came down which irrefutably states that (j)1 of the revised statute (setting forth a rebuttable presumption at full... -posted to the "Family Law Section" community

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    retroactvity of j(2) of revised amendment after Landers?

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    Mar 1, 2016 4:07 PM

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    So, I know that Landers just came down which irrefutably states that (j)1 of the revised statute (setting forth a rebuttable presumption at full retirement age) is in no way applicable to Agreements entered prior to September 14, 2014. Instead, the Landers Court set forth that (j)3 was applicable since it expressly referenced Agreements prior to September 14, 2014 and created a legal mechanism for retirement once a party reached full retirement age.

    Here is the question: conveniently, Landers does not address if (j)2 (which discusses a legal mechanism for party's retiring before full retirement) is applicable only to agreements made before September 14, 2014, or if it, like j(3), is retroactive.

    My gut tells me j(2) was not meant to be retroactive because it does not expressly reference its application to agreements made before September 14, 2014. Only j(3) address agreements made before September 14, 2014. j(1) and j(2) do not. Therefore, I would think j(3)is the only section that can be applied retroactively.

    Any thoughts would be Greatly appreciated!!!!!!

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  • 3.  RE: retroactvity of j(2) of revised amendment after Landers?

    Posted 03-01-2016 05:54 PM

    Is it a different standard (ie – presumptive vs mechanism); or is it just applicable to those that seek it going forward?  IMHO I think it applies to all agreements, with no date distinction needed.

     

     

     

     

     






  • 4.  RE: retroactvity of j(2) of revised amendment after Landers?

    Posted 03-01-2016 06:00 PM

    I think Lisa is right.  Landers does not permit statutory retirement for divorces entered before the statute took effect.  So why would anticipatory retirement, per statute, apply retroactively?  The mechanism in the statute is very clear – and new.  It did not exist before.

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    Re: retroactvity of j(2) of revised amendment after Landers?

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    Is it a different standard (ie – presumptive vs mechanism); or is it just applicable to those that seek it going forward?  IMHO I think it applies to all agreements, with no date distinction needed.

     

     

     

     

     




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    Anticipatory retirement is not retroactive, IMO.

    It did not exist before, so it does not exist now.

    Hanan

     

     

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    e [email protected]   w www.hananisaacs.com

    4499 Route 27, Kingston NJ

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    So, I know that Landers just came down which irrefutably states that (j)1 of the revised statute (setting forth a rebuttable presumption at full... -posted to the "Family Law Section" community

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    retroactvity of j(2) of revised amendment after Landers?

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    Lisa S. Harvey, Esq

    So, I know that Landers just came down which irrefutably states that (j)1 of the revised statute (setting forth a rebuttable presumption at full retirement age) is in no way applicable to Agreements entered prior to September 14, 2014. Instead, the Landers Court set forth that (j)3 was applicable since it expressly referenced Agreements prior to September 14, 2014 and created a legal mechanism for retirement once a party reached full retirement age.

    Here is the question: conveniently, Landers does not address if (j)2 (which discusses a legal mechanism for party's retiring before full retirement) is applicable only to agreements made before September 14, 2014, or if it, like j(3), is retroactive.

    My gut tells me j(2) was not meant to be retroactive because it does not expressly reference its application to agreements made before September 14, 2014. Only j(3) address agreements made before September 14, 2014. j(1) and j(2) do not. Therefore, I would think j(3)is the only section that can be applied retroactively.

    Any thoughts would be Greatly appreciated!!!!!!

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