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  • 1.  OFF-TOPIC - compensation for my time to be deposed

    Posted 09-03-2014 12:09 PM
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    I am going to be deposed in a will contest case arising out of a will I drafted for a former client who is now deceased.  Am I entitled to my hourly rate of compensation for the time to take my dep.?


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    Leslie Farber Esq.
    Montclair NJ
    (973)509-8500
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  • 2.  RE: OFF-TOPIC - compensation for my time to be deposed

    Posted 09-04-2014 01:12 AM
    Hi, Leslie... Hoping all is well.

     

    Although most jurisdictions allow for payment to fact witnesses for time lost for testifying and preparing to testify, a few courts have followed the traditional common lawrule and prohibited payment of fact witnesses for time spent preparing to testify. In Goldstein v. Exxon Research & Engineering Company, the District of New Jersey heldthat that a corporate defendant could not pay a retired employee for time spent preparing to testify on facts within his personal knowledge. I think that case was decided back in 1997, but don't have a cite to share, nor do I recall seeing it overruled... but it's getting a bit late and the Sand Man is about to visit me, so I could be mistaken. If this is still good law, I don't see it not applying to testimony given at depositions as well. IMO

    Related is the issue of privilege. N.J.R.E. 504; N.J.S. 2A:84A-20 provides in pertinent part:

    "... (1) General rule. Subject to Rule 37 [Rule 530] and except as otherwise provided by paragraph 2 of this rule communications between lawyer and his client in the course of that relationship and in professional confidence, are privileged... The privilege shall be claimed by the lawyer unless otherwise instructed by the client or his representative; the privilege may be claimed by the client in person, or if incompetent or deceased, by his guardian or personal representative...

        (2) Exceptions. Such privilege shall not extend... (b) to a communication relevant to an issue between parties all of whom claim through the client, regardless of whether the respective claims are by testate or intestate succession or by inter vivos transaction...

    Not too very long ago, I represented a client in a case where the parties attended several mediation sessions. For various reasons, I left the case right after that and the case went on without me. After first receiving patently deficient notice, which I simply ignored, I eventually received a proper notice. Upon arriving in the deposing lawyer's conference room, the reporter asked how long the deposition was he attorney and I objected to every single question beyond the getting to know you stuff, on the basis of multiple un-waived privileges, including 530. Ended up not going very long at all.

    Attorney Work Product is another thing as well. Wow... Just noticed the time and need to be in Toms River in what's going to feel like no time at all at this point. Was there all day yesterday on a DV. Good times. Hope this is somewhat useful. CJR



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    Curtis Romanowski Esq.
    Senior Attorney - Proprietor
    Metuchen NJ
    (732)603-8585
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  • 3.  RE: OFF-TOPIC - compensation for my time to be deposed

    Posted 09-05-2014 09:34 AM

    4:14-7. Subpoena for Taking Depositions

      (b) Time and Place of Examination by Subpoena; Witness' Expenses.

      • (1) Fact Witnesses. A resident of this State subpoenaed for the taking of a deposition may be required to attend an examination only at a reasonably convenient time and only (A) in the county of this State in which he or she resides, is employed or transacts business in person; or (B) at a location in New Jersey within 20 miles from the witness's residence or place of business; or (C)at such other convenient place fixed by court order. A nonresident of this State subpoenaed within this State may be required to attend only at a reasonably convenient time and only in the county in which he or she is served, at a place within this State not more than 40 miles from the place of service, or at such other convenient place fixed by court order. The party subpoenaing a witness, other than one subject to deposition on notice, shall reimburse the witness for the out-of-pocket expenses and loss of pay, if any, incurred in attending at the taking of depositions.



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    Charles Abut Esq.
    Hackensack NJ
    (201)342-0404
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    Original Message:
    Sent: 09-03-2014 12:08
    From: Leslie Farber
    Subject: OFF-TOPIC - compensation for my time to be deposed

    This message has been cross posted to the following Discussions: Family Law and LGBT Rights Section .
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    I am going to be deposed in a will contest case arising out of a will I drafted for a former client who is now deceased.  Am I entitled to my hourly rate of compensation for the time to take my dep.?


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    Leslie Farber Esq.
    Montclair NJ
    (973)509-8500
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  • 4.  RE: OFF-TOPIC - compensation for my time to be deposed

    Posted 09-05-2014 10:11 AM
    Hey Chuck... The originator and I also went on to discuss this exact rule off the discussion, probably in the next iteration. On the same page. Happy ending nonetheless.

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    Curtis Romanowski Esq.
    Senior Attorney - Proprietor
    Metuchen NJ
    (732)603-8585
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  • 5.  RE: OFF-TOPIC - compensation for my time to be deposed

    Posted 09-05-2014 10:12 AM
    Meant to say "Charlie."

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    Curtis Romanowski Esq.
    Senior Attorney - Proprietor
    Metuchen NJ
    (732)603-8585
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  • 6.  RE: OFF-TOPIC - compensation for my time to be deposed

    Posted 09-05-2014 04:14 PM
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    This blog post may be helpful:

     

    Leonard Charles v. 1170 Apartment Corp. et. al.

    The New Jersey Court Rules do not specifically define whether a professional who is subpoenaed to testify at a deposition is entitled to be compensated for the time spent at the deposition. In the matter of Leonard Charles v. 1170 Apartment Corp. et. als., the New Jersey Appellate Division, in an unpublished 2006 per curiam opinion, dealt with this issue. This case involved an attorney who was subpoenaed to testify at a deposition involving a former client. The attorney was no longer involved in the case and had no interest in the outcome. The attorney requested that he be compensated at his usual hourly rate and the plaintiff that subpoenaed him refused to pay him.

    New Jersey Court Rule 4:14-7(b)(1) provides that a subpoened witness shall be reimbursed for the "out-of-pocket" expenses and loss of pay incurred in attending the deposition. The plaintiff in the Charles case argued that the subpoenaed attorney should not be compensated as the Rule was only intended to protect individuals such as hourly employees. The plaintiff asserted that the Rule was not intended to cover professionals. The Appellate Division disagreed and held that a literal reading of the Rule would defeat the underlying intent. The Court noted that the overwhelming purpose of the Rule was to provide compensation to individuals who are compelled to appear at a deposition in a controversy in which they have no stake in the outcome. The Court went on to hold that the term "loss of pay" includes an actual loss of income, as in the case of a salaried employee, or in the case of a professional, loss of billable time. It does not matter whether the professional is a member of a firm or is a single practitioner.

    The Court concluded by quoting President Lincoln and noting that "a lawyer's time and advice are his (or her) stock in trade." This opinion is extremely helpful to all involved as it resolves as issue that has caused uncertainty where none should exist.

    Hanan

     


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    RE: OFF-TOPIC - compensation for my time to be deposed

     

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    Sep 05, 2014 10:12 AM

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    RE: OFF-TOPIC - compensation for my time to be deposed

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    Meant to say "Charlie."

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    Curtis Romanowski Esq.
    Senior Attorney - Proprietor
    Metuchen NJ
    (732)603-8585
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    4:14-7. Subpoena for Taking Depositions

      (b) Time and Place of Examination by Subpoena; Witness' Expenses.

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    o    (1) Fact Witnesses. A resident of this State subpoenaed for the taking of a deposition may be required to attend an examination only at a reasonably convenient time and only (A) in the county of this State in which he or she resides, is employed or transacts business in person; or (B) at a location in New Jersey within 20 miles from the witness's residence or place of business; or (C)at such other convenient place fixed by court order. A nonresident of this State subpoenaed within this State may be required to attend only at a reasonably convenient time and only in the county in which he or she is served, at a place within this State not more than 40 miles from the place of service, or at such other convenient place fixed by court order. The party subpoenaing a witness, other than one subject to deposition on notice, shall reimburse the witness for the out-of-pocket expenses and loss of pay, if any, incurred in attending at the taking of depositions.



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    Charles Abut Esq.
    Hackensack NJ
    (201)342-0404
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    Original Message:
    Sent: 09-03-2014 12:08
    From: Leslie Farber
    Subject: OFF-TOPIC - compensation for my time to be deposed

    This message has been cross posted to the following Discussions: Family Law and LGBT Rights Section .
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    I am going to be deposed in a will contest case arising out of a will I drafted for a former client who is now deceased.  Am I entitled to my hourly rate of compensation for the time to take my dep.?


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    Leslie Farber Esq.
    Montclair NJ
    (973)509-8500
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    Original Message------

    Meant to say "Charlie."

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    Curtis Romanowski Esq.
    Senior Attorney - Proprietor
    Metuchen NJ
    (732)603-8585
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    Original Message:
    Sent: 09-05-2014 09:33
    From: Charles Abut
    Subject: OFF-TOPIC - compensation for my time to be deposed

    4:14-7. Subpoena for Taking Depositions

      (b) Time and Place of Examination by Subpoena; Witness' Expenses.

      • (1) Fact Witnesses. A resident of this State subpoenaed for the taking of a deposition may be required to attend an examination only at a reasonably convenient time and only (A) in the county of this State in which he or she resides, is employed or transacts business in person; or (B) at a location in New Jersey within 20 miles from the witness's residence or place of business; or (C)at such other convenient place fixed by court order. A nonresident of this State subpoenaed within this State may be required to attend only at a reasonably convenient time and only in the county in which he or she is served, at a place within this State not more than 40 miles from the place of service, or at such other convenient place fixed by court order. The party subpoenaing a witness, other than one subject to deposition on notice, shall reimburse the witness for the out-of-pocket expenses and loss of pay, if any, incurred in attending at the taking of depositions.



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    Charles Abut Esq.
    Hackensack NJ
    (201)342-0404
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    Original Message:
    Sent: 09-03-2014 12:08
    From: Leslie Farber
    Subject: OFF-TOPIC - compensation for my time to be deposed

    This message has been cross posted to the following Discussions: Family Law and LGBT Rights Section .
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    I am going to be deposed in a will contest case arising out of a will I drafted for a former client who is now deceased.  Am I entitled to my hourly rate of compensation for the time to take my dep.?


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    Leslie Farber Esq.
    Montclair NJ
    (973)509-8500
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  • 7.  RE: OFF-TOPIC - compensation for my time to be deposed

    Posted 09-06-2014 10:37 AM
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  • 8.  RE: OFF-TOPIC - compensation for my time to be deposed

    Posted 09-06-2014 10:44 AM
    What if you are served with a subpoena to appear at a fee arbitration? Are you entitled to lost compensation for your time?
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  • 9.  RE: OFF-TOPIC - compensation for my time to be deposed

    Posted 09-06-2014 03:08 PM
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    Terryann,

    I will go out on a limb here.  I don't believe witnesses subpoenaed to a hearing (whether at fee arbitration, trial, or administrative hearings) are entitled to payment for lost time from work.  In my experience, counsel often will voluntarily compensate such witnesses for their lost pay, but such payments cannot be compelled.

    Expert witnesses are in a different position, of course.  No payment yields no testimony, with or without a subpoena.  What about someone with expertise who is subpoenaed to give borderline expert testimony, like a treating doctor who is asked about symptoms, diagnosis,  and prognosis -- but not asked about causation?  You might be able to compel their testimony without pay -- but you will wish you hadn't.

    Hanan

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    Hanan M. Isaacs, Esq.

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    Hanan M. Isaacs, P.C.
    4499 Route 27, Kingston, NJ
    t 609.683.7400
    f 609.921.8982
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    [email protected]
    www.hananisaacs.com

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    What if you are served with a subpoena to appear at a fee arbitration? Are you entitled to lost compensation for your time?
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  • 10.  RE: OFF-TOPIC - compensation for my time to be deposed

    Posted 09-06-2014 05:21 PM
    To follow up on Hanan's comment, my recollection is that you can compel the testimony via subpoena of any fact witness, but if you want an opinion from an expert you must pay his/her expert fee. E.g., you can compel a doctor to testify about an exam but you can't compel him to render an opinion (diagnosis, prognosis (such as permanency of an injury) or causation) without paying his/her expert fee.


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  • 11.  RE: OFF-TOPIC - compensation for my time to be deposed

    Posted 09-08-2014 07:43 AM

    Thank you

     

    Terryann Bradley, Esq.

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  • 12.  RE: OFF-TOPIC - compensation for my time to be deposed

    Posted 09-08-2014 09:56 AM

    Rule 4:14-7(b)(1).  You're a fact witness.  You get "out of pocket expenses and loss of pay".    What about lost billing; isn't loss of pay"?  

     

    Bruce

     

     

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  • 13.  RE: OFF-TOPIC - compensation for my time to be deposed

    Posted 09-08-2014 09:58 AM

    ……because you have to collect it first to be considered "pay" 

     

    (tongue in cheek of course).  Any news from Lynn?

     






  • 14.  RE: OFF-TOPIC - compensation for my time to be deposed

    Posted 09-06-2014 05:37 PM
    Very helpful. Thank you

    Leslie A. Farber
    Attorney at Law
    Leslie A. Farber, LLC
    33 Plymouth Street, Suite 204
    Montclair, NJ 07042
    Ph. (973) 509-8500 x 213
    Fax: (973) 860-1174
    Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any typographical errors.