I believe there is merit in both positions.
Lawyers argued feverishly against child support guidelines, yet they have worked fairly well over time. If folks would rather have a forensic CPA analyze Junior's every expense, then they are welcome to do that. For all others, except in "above Guidelines" cases, there are, indeed, the Guidelines -- which are not so easy to interpret sometimes.
I think Alimony Guidelines could be helpful to the divorcing public. But Judges may not take the time to customize the remedy the way they should. That is going to be a challenge for the advocates -- IF the bill becomes law. And there will be plenty of appeals to shape the practice, just as we saw when no-fault accident law was introduced in New Jersey.
There are a number of jurisdictions across the US that already use Alimony Guidelines, apparently with success.
I think SOME WOMEN will be hurt worse by an Alimony Guidelines approach. But my guess is that most will not be; the process eventually will work routinely; and, as Cary Cheifetz once said in an article I liked, "the dogs will bark and the circus will move on."
Hanan
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Hanan Isaacs Esq.
Kingston NJ
(609)683-7400
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Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2013 18:49
From: David Perry Davis
Subject: needed duration for permanent alimony
Who needs all you expensive matrimonial lawyers? Who needs discretion and common sense? We'll just look it up on "the chart" and get divorced for $875, using forms bought at Staples or Costco.
To the extent there's an argument made that the Alimony Statute will be bad for our bottom lines, I hope (I know) I'm not the only one on this list who finds that to be an almost offensive consideration. We have a duty, morally and professionally, to obtain the best result for our clients at the least possible cost. This is what the public expects when they trust us with a retainer of hard-earned money that would otherwise be in a child's college fund (etc).
All this statute does is to decrease the cost of getting to the result that every one knows will eventually occur. Crews is not just a naked emperor, it is an ignored one except for purely intellectual debates that have no effect on reality. In the vast majority of cases, alimony is determined based on 30-33% of the difference in the parties' incomes, for half the length of the marriage unless its a long enough relationship with sufficient indicia of permanent economic dependance to be "permanent" (i.e., until a change in circumstances such as good faith retirement). We can spend an hour to get to that result or we can bill 100 hours to have a judge get there, but it is the destination.
Aside from being disagreeable, this fear is without basis. Yes, the statute provides guidance and gives integrity to what we're doing and what judges are doing. However, it does not strip judges of discretion. It contains presumptions. It is disingenuous at best to oppose the statute on the basis of it allegedly "forcing a one size fits all solution" to an issue that can be complex.
Litigation isn't going to stop with the statute. In fact, it will mean a whole new world of litigation. Under what circumstances does a case overcome the presumption that alimony ends at retirement age? When a former employee continues working? More than that? Less? What should the legal difference between "permanent alimony" and "indefinite alimony" really mean? What constitutes good cause to deviate from the guidelines? Should it be as strict as the requirement for deviation from the Child Support Guidelines? What about the role of disability? What about cases where alimony negotiations were intertwined with other settlement considerations? How do we do justice and address all this?
Aside from new considerations under the statute, there will be the same fact questions we now litigate - when income should be imputed, whether someone is being honest in their representations as to the facts, etc etc. The difference is that it won't be file-churning nonsense that a (very) few of us engage in where we debate endlessly over the meaning of Crews and what constitutes a martial lifestyle. And there won't be the wild divergence between well-meaning judges who apply the concepts with an unacceptable variance across the state.
I do not agree that "the system ain't broke", and apparently the multiple co-sponsors of the bill from both sides of the isle (not "one angry legislator -- try Charles Mainor (D), Benjie Wimberly (D) and Angelica Jimenez (D) and Sean Kean (R)), and the 1800+ member strong New Jersey Alimony Reform agree. It is broke. It is very broke. The most recent polls show over 90% support for the bill. The only ones who don't seem to think it's broke some attorneys. The people of NJ should not have to fund two lawyers debating over something where the result is generally a given. People shouldn't have to settle a case because they're warned that "this particular judge goes high / low on alimony." If for no other reason, consider the impact it has on the public perception of our profession to oppose this, giving utterly transparent reasons for doing so. It sure looks to the public like the matrimonial bar is looking no further than its billable hours.
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David Perry Davis, Esq.
112 West Franklin Avenue
Pennington, NJ 08534
Voice: 609-737-2222
Fax: 609-737-3222
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Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2013 14:36
From: Curtis Romanowski
Subject: needed duration for permanent alimony
God loves you, Charlie Abut! For those of us unfamiliar with Mr. Abut, he is a scholar among scholars. I think he even does his own legal research...
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Curtis Romanowski Esq.
Senior Attorney - Proprietor
Brielle NJ
(732)603-8585
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Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2013 13:22
From: Charles Abut
Subject: needed duration for permanent alimony
First, Child Support Guidelines. Now, Alimony Guidelines. Next, how about Parenting Time Guidelines? As in : "When a child is under two years of age, it shall be a rebuttable presumption that..."
Who needs all you expensive matrimonial lawyers? Who needs discretion and common sense? We'll just look it up on "the chart" and get divorced for $875, using forms bought at Staples or Costco.
First rule of family law practice : if it aint broke, don't fix it.
It aint broke. Our well-developed statutes and case law are OK. A few disgruntled payors and one angry legislator should not result in wholesale overhaul.
Sandy and Curt are right.
charlie [thinking about bathwater and babies]
Charles Abut Esq.
Hackensack NJ
(201) 342-0404
Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2013 09:59
From: T. Sandberg Durst
Subject: needed duration for permanent alimony
Curt, you are spot on. The current law works when the attorneys use it properly. We can't make/change law in response to litigant's post-divorce misgivings. The "reform" movement is quick to blame us as divorce attorneys, judges, the "system" but never acknowledge that the majority of the cases are settled and therefore they accepted the realities they, or their new spouse, now oppose.
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T. Sandberg Durst Esq.
Princeton NJ
(609)436-9079
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Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2013 09:53
From: Curtis Romanowski
Subject: needed duration for permanent alimony
Bah... Humbug. Funny note: Sandy Durst's dad once told me that the day they pass an alimony reform bill (like this one) would be the day he's retire. He beat them to the punch. Nice play on words with the "Curt" comment. In my role as a legal educator, I like to encourage people practicing law to read the law for themselves. Call it tough love, but there is a profound level of elegance in New Jersey's alimony case law that needs to be appreciated and that should not be obliterated by legislation propelled largely by disgruntled supporting spouses IMO.
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Curtis Romanowski Esq.
Senior Attorney - Proprietor
Brielle NJ
(732)603-8585
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Original Message:
Sent: 07-31-2013 17:53
From: David Perry Davis
Subject: needed duration for permanent alimony
Yes, the initial response from Mr. Romanowski was a little Curt...
In my experience, you're not looking at permanent alimony until at least 15 years, and that's when the facts are strongly in support of it. I don't think anyone would disagree that the number of years required for it has crept up over the years.
I respectfully disagree with those who oppose the alimony reform bill. I wholeheartedly support it. Rather than repeating the reasons, I'm blocking and copying the Op-Ed from the Star Ledger (along with Judge Zampino [supporting], Sandy Durst [opposed], and one other I can't recall [opposed]).
This discussion and the amount of conflicting case law and opinions (as well as the tremendous, ongoing inconsistency among well-intended judges) are prime reasons why we need it.
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David Perry Davis, Esq.
112 West Franklin Avenue
Pennington, NJ 08534
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As a New Jersey Family Law attorney and an advocate for justice for the past 15 years, I support the reform of New Jersey alimony laws as proposed in the recent assembly bill A3909, which provides guidelines as to the amount and duration of alimony. Most of the people who are opposed to the reform bill do not understand what the changes are. This law would benefit everyone in bringing more certainty to our laws regarding spousal support while ensuring judges' hands aren't tied when an unusual case is presented.
There already is a very widely used rule of thumb that has emerged over the past ten years as to the amount of alimony to be paid. Generally, between 30-33% of the difference in the parties incomes is ordered, always subject to adjustment if there are unusual facts. Every practicing Family Law attorney is aware of this. As a Matrimonial Early Settlement Panelist, I openly discuss this rule of thumb when making settlement recommendations. Family Part judges cite this formula, although many do so only off the record or "just happen" to reach numbers in line with this formula. However, as a recent appellate case by Judge Haas has pointed out, it is not proper to use a formula unless and until the legislature authorizes it. Judge Haas is right. Integrity demands that we end this charade of pretending there is no general formula for determining the amount of an alimony award. We need to acknowledge this and enact a statute, as A3909 does, that reflects the reality of what has grown to be considered a fair amount of alimony.
The duration of alimony awards is also addressed. Once again, there is an unofficial but commonplace guideline (around half the length of the marriage) that is currently used, again always subject to adjustment if there are unusual facts.
The more difficult situation is when a longer term marriage (say, 15-20 years) is at issue and seemingly arbitrary lifetime alimony obligations imposed.
At a recent legal conference, three highly respected, experienced Family Court judges were given the same fact pattern. One judge indicated that it would be a term alimony case. The second believed a combination of term and rehabilitative alimony was appropriate. The third believed it was a permanent alimony case. Few in the room were surprised at the divergence.
A3909 provides a sliding scale for the duration of alimony that provides guidance, especially as to the "grey area" cases. The proposed statute permits alimony awards of an "an indefinite length of time", but only in marriages of more than 20 years. The only cap on alimony is when the payor reaches full retirement age under the Social Security rules. Those who complain that the statute ends permanent alimony awards in New Jersey are apparently unaware that under current law, a "permanent" alimony award is already subject to termination when a payor retires in good faith.
In no case does the the proposed statute force a "one size fits all" solution as some have suggested. It permits judges to deviate from the guidelines if there is a specifically explained good reason to do so. Everyone should read the bill before expressing an opinion on it.
Alimony reform has been vocally opposed in every state where it was proposed and eventually passed. In every state, it has been a grassroots movement, lead by those who understand what the changes are (and what they aren't). Everyone should support this law, which brings certainty and fairness to this emotional area of the law, while assuring that judges retain the ability to do justice in any given case with unusual facts.