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  • 1.  needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 07-30-2013 02:47 PM

    What is the current case law for awarding lifetime alimony based on years married, I know ten years was considered appropriate for permanent as long as the other needed relavent factors as represent, but  i seem to have read 7can be the critical number as long as other needed factors are present
     and would  the fact they lived cohabitated 5 years prior to marriage have much weight.

    Thanks

    for Hope Lang Esq
    Oradell NJ
    (201) 599-9600

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  • 2.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 07-30-2013 03:10 PM
    Reading the case law would be a swell idea!

    There is nothing in the case law, other than Hughes referencing that a marriage of ten years was a marriage of intermediate length, not one of short-term, but certainly not a statement that a ten year marriage, plus (or not minus) other considerations, equals an entitlement to permanent alimony. Read Lynn to see how a short term marriage can result in permanent alimony if need and the ability to pay is clearly there.

    In short, there is absolutely no way to come even close to understanding the law of alimony in NJ without actually reading the cases. Cox would be a nice place to start. Then, you could read all the cases cited in Cox, then all the cases cited in those cases.

    This will help you. But, unless you do the reading and thought yourself, you will never be persuasive. that should be all of our goals as advocates. Thanks for listening.


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    Curtis Romanowski Esq.
    Senior Attorney - Proprietor
    Brielle NJ
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  • 3.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 07-30-2013 04:12 PM

    Thank You very much- please do not be concerned, and rest assured that I have read Cox, Pollack, Weaver, Whitesel; Doctoroff; Gordon; Mahoney ;Hughes; Schwartz, Weimer; Desaro; Tartantino, Christopher, Booth, Valente; Palmierei, Fuzer etc. etc., a nd many other cases. I never would never have put the query through otherwise.

    I just thought I had come across something that said it changed that I somehow missed and could not locate. Thank you as you definitely answered my question.


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    Hope Lang Esq
    Oradell NJ
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  • 4.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 07-30-2013 04:32 PM
    See also J.E.V. v. K.V., 426 N.J. Super. 475 (App. Div. 2012)

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    Michael Conte, Esquire
    Ulrichsen Rosen & Freed LLC
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  • 5.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 07-30-2013 05:11 PM
    Yikes!  Let's keep it friendly so folks are not afraid to make inquiries.  We all learn from the questions and responses. 

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    Mary Jane Leland Esq.
    Freehold NJ
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  • 6.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 07-30-2013 05:38 PM
    Mary Jane:

    Without commenting on the question or Curt's response, the problem with this forum is if you give too much detail and ask for strategy advice, your adversary is apt to be reading your post and the responses.

    I am a member of NJAJ, formerly ATLA-NJ. We have a matrimonial listserv and if you are not sure you should post something, you can get a list of the active membership on the listserv from NJAJ's website.

    Just sayin'. However, this forum is fine for general, non-case specific advice.

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    Manalapan NJ
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  • 7.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 07-31-2013 02:37 AM
    I couldn't agree more with Bob. I was actually thinking his thoughts when reading your post. Thanks, Bob!

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    Curtis Romanowski Esq.
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    Brielle NJ
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  • 8.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 07-31-2013 07:41 AM
    As a side note, revision of alimony is very real and impending - Assembly, No. 3909 is pending legislation that was introduced March 7, 2013 with a proposed effective date of October 1, 2013


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    Jenny Berse Esq.
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  • 9.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 07-31-2013 09:02 AM
    Please pray that it doesn't go through. It is an atrocity.

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    Curtis Romanowski Esq.
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    Brielle NJ
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  • 10.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 07-31-2013 09:27 AM
    Agreed, but might keep us all real busy.    

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    Jenny Berse Esq.
    Cranford NJ
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  • 11.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 07-31-2013 09:48 AM
    Hi Hope: I had a similar issue last year where my client was seeking permanent alimony in a long term marriage and I had someone from my office draft an in house memo discussing duration and factors for permanent alimony. You can use as a starting point. Please send me your email address and I will redact identifying info send it to you. it will save you hours of research. Angela ------------------------------------------- [Angela Barker Law Office of Angela Barker, LLC [www.angelabarkerlaw.com 646-415-8883 646-395-9562 (fax) -------------------------------------------


  • 12.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 07-31-2013 10:01 AM
    There was also an excellent article on alimony in the NJSBA Family Section's "New Jersey Family Law" last year.  I sadly forget the exact date, but I remember it had a excellent discussion of the very issues asked about here.  We all can learn more about this as it is evolving still, even while the new regs are contemplated in Trenton. 

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  • 13.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 07-31-2013 09:54 AM
    Why do you say that? Because people who are staying married strictly not to have to pay permanent alimony will now get divorced? Just wondering about your prediction.

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    Curtis Romanowski Esq.
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    Brielle NJ
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  • 14.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 07-31-2013 10:10 AM
    Modification motions.  3.a. of the bill "Every action to modify an existing alimony award pursuant to this section shall be commenced within two years of the effective date of (this bill).  And, "Upon motion by either party to the award.....The moving party need not prove a change of circumstances for the purposes of such modification....."

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    Jenny Berse Esq.
    Cranford NJ
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  • 15.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 07-31-2013 05:54 PM
    Yes, the initial response from Mr. Romanowski was a little Curt...

    In my experience, you're not looking at permanent alimony until at least 15 years, and that's when the facts are strongly in support of it.  I don't think anyone would disagree that the number of years required for it has crept up over the years.

    I respectfully disagree with those who oppose the alimony reform bill.  I wholeheartedly support it.  Rather than repeating the reasons, I'm blocking and copying the Op-Ed from the Star Ledger (along with Judge Zampino [supporting], Sandy Durst [opposed], and one other I can't recall [opposed]).

    This discussion and the amount of conflicting case law and opinions (as well as the tremendous, ongoing inconsistency among well-intended judges) are prime reasons why we need it.

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    David Perry Davis, Esq.
    112 West Franklin Avenue
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    As a New Jersey Family Law attorney and an advocate for justice for the past 15 years, I support the reform of New Jersey alimony laws as proposed in the recent assembly bill A3909, which provides guidelines as to the amount and duration of alimony. Most of the people who are opposed to the reform bill do not understand what the changes are. This law would benefit everyone in bringing more certainty to our laws regarding spousal support while ensuring judges' hands aren't tied when an unusual case is presented.

    There already is a very widely used rule of thumb that has emerged over the past ten years as to the amount of alimony to be paid. Generally, between 30-33% of the difference in the parties incomes is ordered, always subject to adjustment if there are unusual facts. Every practicing Family Law attorney is aware of this. As a Matrimonial Early Settlement Panelist, I openly discuss this rule of thumb when making settlement recommendations. Family Part judges cite this formula, although many do so only off the record or "just happen" to reach numbers in line with this formula. However, as a recent appellate case by Judge Haas has pointed out, it is not proper to use a formula unless and until the legislature authorizes it. Judge Haas is right. Integrity demands that we end this charade of pretending there is no general formula for determining the amount of an alimony award. We need to acknowledge this and enact a statute, as A3909 does, that reflects the reality of what has grown to be considered a fair amount of alimony.

    The duration of alimony awards is also addressed. Once again, there is an unofficial but commonplace guideline (around half the length of the marriage) that is currently used, again always subject to adjustment if there are unusual facts.

    The more difficult situation is when a longer term marriage (say, 15-20 years) is at issue and seemingly arbitrary lifetime alimony obligations imposed.

    At a recent legal conference, three highly respected, experienced Family Court judges were given the same fact pattern. One judge indicated that it would be a term alimony case. The second believed a combination of term and rehabilitative alimony was appropriate. The third believed it was a permanent alimony case. Few in the room were surprised at the divergence.

    A3909 provides a sliding scale for the duration of alimony that provides guidance, especially as to the "grey area" cases. The proposed statute permits alimony awards of an "an indefinite length of time", but only in marriages of more than 20 years. The only cap on alimony is when the payor reaches full retirement age under the Social Security rules. Those who complain that the statute ends permanent alimony awards in New Jersey are apparently unaware that under current law, a "permanent" alimony award is already subject to termination when a payor retires in good faith.

    In no case does the the proposed statute force a "one size fits all" solution as some have suggested. It permits judges to deviate from the guidelines if there is a specifically explained good reason to do so. Everyone should read the bill before expressing an opinion on it.

    Alimony reform has been vocally opposed in every state where it was proposed and eventually passed. In every state, it has been a grassroots movement, lead by those who understand what the changes are (and what they aren't). Everyone should support this law, which brings certainty and fairness to this emotional area of the law, while assuring that judges retain the ability to do justice in any given case with unusual facts.



  • 16.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 08-01-2013 09:54 AM
    Bah... Humbug. Funny note: Sandy Durst's dad once told me that the day they pass an alimony reform bill (like this one) would be the day he's retire. He beat them to the punch. Nice play on words with the "Curt" comment. In my role as a legal educator, I like to encourage people practicing law to read the law for themselves. Call it tough love, but there is a profound level of elegance in New Jersey's alimony case law that needs to be appreciated and that should not be obliterated by legislation propelled largely by disgruntled supporting spouses IMO.

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    Curtis Romanowski Esq.
    Senior Attorney - Proprietor
    Brielle NJ
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  • 17.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 08-01-2013 10:00 AM
    Curt, you are spot on.  The current law works when the attorneys use it properly.  We can't make/change law in response to litigant's post-divorce misgivings.  The "reform" movement is quick to blame us as divorce attorneys, judges, the "system" but never acknowledge that the majority of the cases are settled and therefore they accepted the realities they, or their new spouse, now oppose. 

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  • 18.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 08-01-2013 10:04 AM
    Thanks, Sandy... Hope to see you sometime soon.

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    Curtis Romanowski Esq.
    Senior Attorney - Proprietor
    Brielle NJ
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  • 19.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 08-01-2013 12:44 PM
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    Hi all:

    I got a lot of requests for this memo and the cases so I am sending to all.  The memo and case law is just an over-view.  I would welcome others to add to it to expand all of our knowledge.   

    Unlike  NY where the case law is pretty much settle on alimony (maintenance we call it in NY) - I can tell a client - this is a 5, 10, 15 year marriage, these are the economic circumstances of this marriage -therefore you are likely to get X for maintenance and the duration will be likely Y.  In NJ the case law seems to be all over the map and therefore I think it makes it that much harder to settle cases.  The monied spouse has a real incentive to hang on and go through discovery and trial.  Meanwhile the non-monied spouse really has to have the nerve to fight until the end or near end - how do you tell a housewife seeing the marital assets of the marriage being eaten up in legal fees to hang in and fight when the husband is offering 5, 10 years of alimony?  She needs money now  - she reasons in 5 - 10 years I will be earning money or doing x?  It puts housewives or those who sacrifice their careers to put the family first at a real disadvantage I think.
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  • 20.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 08-01-2013 02:33 PM
    The existing alimony statute and body of case law is among the best in effect in the country today. In the hands of knowledgeable practitioners and jurists, it is a vital component of being able to settle cases or to reach an equitable outcome at trial. The fact that it is a variable vs, a calculated constant is one of the things that makes it such a useful tool.

    I have personally had many trials to verdict, where alimony was on of the few remaining issues. An alimony case worth trying is worth trying. I don't see an unsolved alimony issue as one that really generates more costs than any other aspect. If it's not worth trying, the clients are counseled that the costs of trial and related pre-trial activities are not justified by the likely result.

    Some clients will insist upon fighting loosing or relatively pointless battles... and then they get to find out the hard way. The proposed legislation has grown from seeds planted by amateur farmers. It turns us all into clerks on this issue, instead of mindful, informed and highly skilled professionals. It is a giant step in the wrong direction. IMO
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    Curtis Romanowski Esq.
    Senior Attorney - Proprietor
    Brielle NJ
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  • 21.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 08-01-2013 01:22 PM
     
    First, Child Support Guidelines. Now, Alimony Guidelines. Next, how about Parenting Time Guidelines? As in :  "When a child is under two years of age, it shall be a rebuttable presumption that..."
     
    Who needs all you expensive matrimonial lawyers? Who needs discretion and common sense?  We'll just look it up on "the chart" and get divorced for $875, using forms bought at Staples or Costco.
     
    First rule of family law practice : if it aint broke, don't fix it.
     
    It aint broke.  Our well-developed statutes and case law are OK. A few disgruntled payors and one angry legislator should not result in wholesale overhaul.   
     
    Sandy and Curt are right.     
     
    charlie [thinking about bathwater and babies]


    Charles Abut Esq.
    Hackensack NJ
    (201) 342-0404






  • 22.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 08-01-2013 02:37 PM
    God loves you, Charlie Abut! For those of us unfamiliar with Mr. Abut, he is a scholar among scholars. I think he even does his own legal research...

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  • 23.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 08-01-2013 06:49 PM
    Who needs all you expensive matrimonial lawyers? Who needs discretion and common sense?  We'll just look it up on "the chart" and get divorced for $875, using forms bought at Staples or Costco.

    To the extent there's an argument made that the Alimony Statute will be bad for our bottom lines, I hope (I know) I'm not the only one on this list who finds that to be an almost offensive consideration.  We have a duty, morally and professionally, to obtain the best result for our clients at the least possible cost.  This is what the public expects when they trust us with a retainer of hard-earned money that would otherwise be in a child's college fund (etc).

    All this statute does is to decrease the cost of getting to the result that every one knows will eventually occur.  Crews is not just a naked emperor, it is an ignored one except for purely intellectual debates that have no effect on reality.  In the vast majority of cases, alimony is determined based on 30-33% of the difference in the parties' incomes, for half the length of the marriage unless its a long enough relationship with sufficient indicia of permanent economic dependance to be "permanent" (i.e., until a change in circumstances such as good faith retirement).  We can spend an hour to get to that result or we can bill 100 hours to have a judge get there, but it is the destination.

    Aside from being disagreeable, this fear is without basis.  Yes, the statute provides guidance and gives integrity to what we're doing and what judges are doing.  However, it does not strip judges of discretion.  It contains presumptions.  It is disingenuous at best to oppose the statute on the basis of it allegedly "forcing a one size fits all solution" to an issue that can be complex.

    Litigation isn't going to stop with the statute.  In fact, it will mean a whole new world of litigation.  Under what circumstances does a case overcome the presumption that alimony ends at retirement age?  When a former employee continues working?  More than that?  Less?  What should the legal difference between "permanent alimony" and "indefinite alimony" really mean?  What constitutes good cause to deviate from the guidelines?  Should it be as strict as the requirement for deviation from the Child Support Guidelines?  What about the role of disability?  What about cases where alimony negotiations were intertwined with other settlement considerations?  How do we do justice and address all this?

    Aside from new considerations under the statute, there will be the same fact questions we now litigate - when income should be imputed, whether someone is being honest in their representations as to the facts, etc etc.  The difference is that it won't be file-churning nonsense that a (very) few of us engage in where we debate endlessly over the meaning of Crews and what constitutes a martial lifestyle.  And there won't be the wild divergence between well-meaning judges who apply the concepts with an unacceptable variance across the state.

    I do not agree that "the system ain't broke", and apparently the multiple co-sponsors of the bill from both sides of the isle (not "one angry legislator -- try Charles Mainor (D), Benjie Wimberly (D) and Angelica Jimenez (D) and Sean Kean (R)), and the 1800+ member strong New Jersey Alimony Reform agree.  It is broke.  It is very broke.  The most recent polls show over 90% support for the bill.  The only ones who don't seem to think it's broke some attorneys.  The people of NJ should not have to fund two lawyers debating over something where the result is generally a given.  People shouldn't have to settle a case because they're warned that "this particular judge goes high / low on alimony."  If for no other reason, consider the impact it has on the public perception of our profession to oppose this, giving utterly transparent reasons for doing so.  It sure looks to the public like the matrimonial bar is looking no further than its billable hours.

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  • 24.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 08-01-2013 08:49 PM
    I believe there is merit in both positions.  

    Lawyers argued feverishly against child support guidelines, yet they have worked fairly well over time.  If folks would rather have a forensic CPA analyze Junior's every expense, then they are welcome to do that.  For all others, except in "above Guidelines" cases, there are, indeed, the Guidelines -- which are not so easy to interpret sometimes.

    I think Alimony Guidelines could be helpful to the divorcing public.  But Judges may not take the time to customize the remedy the way they should.  That is going to be a challenge for the advocates -- IF the bill becomes law.  And there will be plenty of appeals to shape the practice, just as we saw when no-fault accident law was introduced in New Jersey.

    There are a number of jurisdictions across the US that already use Alimony Guidelines, apparently with success.

    I think SOME WOMEN will be hurt worse by an Alimony Guidelines approach. But my guess is that most will not be; the process eventually will work routinely; and, as Cary Cheifetz once said in an article I liked, "the dogs will bark and the circus will move on."

    Hanan

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  • 25.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 08-02-2013 02:04 AM
    I am all but done responding to this particular discussion, however... the "alimony is determined based on 30-33% of the difference in the parties' incomes, for half the length of the marriage" paradigm (a hyperbolically polite word for this frame of thinking) is a blight on clear professional reasoning. I will venture the following insomniatic argument, then I will rest.

    Calculating Alimony is a Sophisticatedly Thoughtful Undertaking.
    Although the Legislature has provided a highly flexible set of criteria for admeasuring alimony, some judges and advocates alike have been drawn to the reductionist expedient of condensing the determination of alimony to a quick, off-the-rack calculus. Although several formulae can be encountered, depending upon the County or region, heuristics typically include oversimplified approaches to both the duration and the amount of the award, if any. 

    Example: Husband earns $140,000 gross. Wife earns $50,000 gross. The difference in gross incomes therefore comes to $90,000. By dividing $90,000 by a factor of three, the award to the Wife should therefore come to $30,000 per year. The parties were married for a total of six years. Since the marriage was one of less than ten years, the award should not be permanent, but one of limited duration. By dividing the total years married, six, by a factor of two, we then arrive at an alimony award of $30,000 per year for a limited duration of three years.

    The given example is neither illustrative of competent advocacy nor of responsible adjudication. It is instead an example of non-professional clerical work, requiring a background in second-grade arithmetic. Horrifyingly enough, methods such as these have fallen into relatively common use. These various "rule-of-thumb" approaches, premised upon the fundamentally flawed presupposition that simplicity settles cases, are little more than fallacious appeals to popular wisdom that fail to provide a sufficient basis for determining alimony. Simplicity does not settle cases of its own accord; creative expertise does.

    Simplicity straightjackets the creative process of solution generation, leaving significantly fewer alternatives to pick from. Overly simplistic analyses of alimony aspects tends far more toward crude horse trading than applied socio-economic science. It lends itself to participation in a zero-sum game, where there must by definition be a winner and a loser. Instead, we should be guided by the counsel of Albert Einstein, who said, "Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler."

    The now-notorious "divide by three" approach to admeasuring alimony purports to roughly equalize incomes while ignoring everything else. The formula ignores divergent tax consequences and is applied as if there were no discrete statutory factors for determining alimony. Instead, the method creates a per se mandate to equalize income, regardless of whether or not there were children of the marriage and notwithstanding the disparity in or levels of the incomes, to name just a few shortcomings. Since alimony must be calculated before a child support guidelines determination can be made, use of formulae such as this can pervert a good deal of the process.

    Although there are various urban myths circulating concerning the origin of the divide-by-three approach, the root of the problem is clearly the now anachronistic common law. Although there was no absolute rule regarding the amount of an alimony award, the common law rule of thumb was "usually about one-third of the husband's income." Dietrick v. Dietrick, 88 N.J. Eq. 560, 561 (E. & A. 1918) (emphasis added). The rule may have derived from the general common law rule passing one-third of the husband's property to the wife upon his death. Id. at 93. See now N.J.S.A. 3B:8-1 (elective share of surviving spouse is one-third of estate).

    Notably Dietrick, while referring to the common law one-third rule of thumb only in passing, continues, more thoughtfully, with the following formulation:

    The amount is not fixed solely with regard, on the one hand, to the actual needs of the wife, nor, on the other, to the husband's actual means. There should be taken into account the physical condition and social position of the parties, the husband's property and income (including what he could derive from personal attention to business), and also the separate property and income of the wife. Considering all these, and any other factors bearing upon the question, the sum is to be fixed at what the wife would have the right to expect as support, if living with her husband.     

    This rule of thumb was not "a hard and fast rule," Hebble v. Hebble, 99 N.J. Eq. 53, 56 (Ch.), aff'd o.b. 99 N.J. Eq. 885 (E. & A. 1926), and was often subject to criticism. Judges and lawyers were said to attach "undue importance" to the rule, "to the entire obliteration and undiscriminating exclusion of the many other factors that should be considered and which have more or less importance depending on the circumstances of particular cases[.]" O'Neill v. O'Neill, 18 N.J. Misc. 82, 92-93 (Ch. 1939), aff'd 127 N.J. Eq. 278 (E. & A. 1940). In Turi v. Turi, 34 N.J. Super. 313, 321 (App. Div. 1955), the court declared that the one-third rule "has lost any significance it may have had in view of changing economic and social conditions." More recently, while not entirely abandoning the one third "guide," the New Jersey Supreme Court held that "it is not at all applicable . . . where the wife has a substantial income of her own." Capodanno v. Capodanno, 58 N.J. 113, 119 (1971).



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    Brielle NJ
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  • 26.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 08-02-2013 10:05 AM
    No, it ain't broke to the extent of the proposed radical overhaul.

    Like snowflakes and fingerprints: No two cases or clients are alike.
    Hard cases make bad law. That is why creativity and well conceived argument predicated, on differing fact patterns, is why do what we do.

    No, It ain't for the money. Not by a long shot. I don't believe I am unique in this regard. My uncollectible accounts receivable, some of which I know will be uncollectible, tell me so.

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  • 27.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 08-02-2013 10:12 AM
    Agreed, Ron!

    I could paper my conference room with useless judgments and bankruptcy notices commemorating all the hours we invest in earnest with no hope for compensation.

    If we are provided with enough cheezy formulas, we can just put an app together that folks can download into their smart phones. We can also work on cloning children and household pets in dispute.

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    Curtis Romanowski Esq.
    Senior Attorney - Proprietor
    Brielle NJ
    (732)603-8585

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  • 28.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 08-03-2013 04:59 PM
    Amen, Curt. Query:With a formula, why not just repeal the statutory criteria? How's that for doing justice for our clients? ------------------------------------------- Ronald Abramson Esq. Hackensack NJ (201)487-3800 -------------------------------------------


  • 29.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 08-03-2013 06:13 PM
    :)

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    Curtis Romanowski Esq.
    Senior Attorney - Proprietor
    Brielle NJ
    (732)603-8585

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  • 30.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 08-09-2013 11:02 AM
    Well, 15 years is certainly long enough:


    Gnall v. Gnall (App. Div. 2013), approved for publication: http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/opinions/a3582-10.pdf

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    Law Office of Jordan A. Stern
    Chatham NJ
    (973)632-3526
    www.njsternlaw.com

    "If there's one thing you should take from this class, it's this: Read the statute to the very end--to the very last period." -Prof. George C. Thomas III, Rutgers-Newark School of Law
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  • 31.  RE:needed duration for permanent alimony

    Posted 08-09-2013 12:19 PM
    Did you notice that the opinion mentions a US Census Bureau report stating that the current average length of marriage is 8 years?

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