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  • 1.  Huffington Post blog - "Alimony Reform Laws Focus on the Exception to the Rule and to the Detriment of the American Family

    Posted 10-21-2013 05:26 PM
    Hello Family Law Section members,

    Our Government Affairs staff asked that I share the following Huffington Post blog with you, "Alimony Reform Laws Focus on the Exception to the Rule and to the Detriment of the American Family."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deborah-s-chames/alimony-reform-laws-focus_b_4111290.html

    All the best,
    Barb
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    Barbara Straczynski
    Director of New Media and Promotions
    New Jersey State Bar Association
    New Brunswick NJ
    (732)937-7524
    [email protected]
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  • 2.  RE:Huffington Post blog - "Alimony Reform Laws Focus on the Exception to the Rule and to the Detriment of the American Family

    Posted 10-22-2013 12:40 PM
    I'm embarrassed that my bar association would take a stance against alimony reform and would forward articles tht are disinformation campaigns filled with scare tactics.  I've posted the comment I wrote to this article below.

    I hope that the readers out there who care about improving our system and making less acrimonious, less expensive and fairer to all involved will stay active on this issue.

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    David Perry Davis, Esq.
    112 West Franklin Avenue
    Pennington, NJ 08534
    Voice: 609-737-2222
    Fax: 609-737-3222
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    I have been an attorney for 15+ years, practicing 100%  Family Law and related appeals.

    This article is scare tactic nonsense, at least as it applies to the pending alimony reform statute in New Jersey.  The statute replace "permanent alimony" with "indefinite alimony" if a marriage is of 20 years or more duration.

    The statute is needed for several reasons.  First, the current law is absolute hypocrisy.  Matrimonial attorneys generally apply a formula to alimony determinations - 1/3 the difference in incomes.  The general time limit is 1/2 the length of the marriage for marriages under 20 years, permanent alimony otherwise.  This is what we (attorneys, judges, settlement panelists) do.  It is also "illegal" - completely unjustified by the law which is nothing but "grey areas" -- "sufficient alimony to maintain the standard of living for the dependent spouse."  How can a supporting spouse provide this?  He / she would have to live in a cardboard box, literally providing all income as alimony.  And for how long should it be paid?  Different cases have different thresholds - there is no solid guidance in the law as it stands.

    "Permanent alimony" can, under current law, be reviewed on retirement, but the law on it is a maze.  A court has to determine "whether the benefit to the person retiring outweighs the determent to the person receiving support."  Read that again... Yes, it makes no sense and provides no guidance.

    And there's more than a few "gotchas" and injustices.  If a person takes a second job or works overtime in order to meet an obligation, a court can increase the support due as a result of this additional income, thus causing a cycle wherein paying spouses simply cannot keep up.

    The pending statute in New Jersey makes it the law - about 30% of the difference in incomes, for periods on a sliding scale from 40% to 80% of the length of the marriage, with marriages over 20 years "indefinite."  There would be a strong presumption in the law that alimony ends when the payor hits Social Security retirement age, and overtime or second jobs taken to meet an obligation don't count.

    Those opposed to the statute fall into two classes - those who (like the author here) don't understand it (or at least what's proposed in NJ) and think it will end alimony and put women on the street, and those (fortunately few, but very loud) attorneys who milk cases and exploit the lack of guidance in the law to run huge ($50,000+) legal bills fighting in court.

    Every state needs "alimony reform", meaning a statute that will bring certainty and fairness to this difficult, emotional area of the law.






  • 3.  RE:Huffington Post blog - "Alimony Reform Laws Focus on the Exception to the Rule and to the Detriment of the American Family

    Posted 10-22-2013 01:06 PM
    Hello everyone,
    We greatly appreciate your feedback and are very happy to see our members dialogue on all sides of the issues. That is the purpose of CommunityNET. Everyone's opinion matters.
    All the best,
    Barb

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    Barbara Straczynski
    Director of New Media and Promotions
    New Jersey State Bar Association
    New Brunswick NJ
    (732)937-7524
    [email protected]
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  • 4.  RE:Huffington Post blog - "Alimony Reform Laws Focus on the Exception to the Rule and to the Detriment of the American Family

    Posted 10-22-2013 03:07 PM
    I am a proponent of alimony reform, yet there are at least 2 sides to that story.

    The Huffington Post blog piece was mainstream and, to me, inoffensive.

    We need to hear from all sides of an issue as important as this one, which will foster the best possile public policy outcome here in NJ.

    Hanan
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    Hanan Isaacs Esq.
    Kingston NJ
    (609)683-7400

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  • 5.  RE:Huffington Post blog - "Alimony Reform Laws Focus on the Exception to the Rule and to the Detriment of the American Family

    Posted 10-22-2013 03:59 PM
    Let's assume (or "pretend" for those of you who are opposed) that an alimony statute were to be passed.

    What would you want in it?  Something the addresses the "average", bland case, not the unusual fact ones that are thrown up as examples as to why a statute is a bad idea.

    Which portions of the following are objectionable and, more importantly as always, how would you address it?

    In cases with a marriage of less than 20 years and combined income less than the maximum amount contemplated by the then-current child support guidelines and an income differential of at least 20% between the parties, alimony shall be awarded for 1/3 of the difference between the parties' incomes, for half the length of the marriage.  In marriages of 20 years or longer, alimony shall be of indefinite length.

    Notwithstanding the above, there shall be a presumption that alimony terminates upon the payor attaining retirement age as per the then-existing rules governing Social Security.


    To those who have sent messages of support off-list, I obviously won't repeat your names, but I'd encourage you to stand up publicly for what you believe.

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    David Perry Davis, Esq.
    112 West Franklin Avenue
    Pennington, NJ 08534
    Voice: 609-737-2222
    Fax: 609-737-3222
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  • 6.  RE:Huffington Post blog - "Alimony Reform Laws Focus on the Exception to the Rule and to the Detriment of the American Family

    Posted 10-22-2013 05:35 PM
    David:

    I appreciate your comments below, but I could not disagree more.  The alimony guidelines you appear to support completely ignore the affect the marriage had on the partners.  A simplistic, formulaic approach to alimony has no place in a court of equity. 

    That noted, the alimony law in this State has not been reviewed for some time and such a review is warranted.  The Family Law Section of the NJSBA has repeatedly and consistently supported the creation of a commission to study alimony law. 

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    Brian Schwartz Esq.
    Summit NJ
    (908)219-4219

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  • 7.  RE:Huffington Post blog - "Alimony Reform Laws Focus on the Exception to the Rule and to the Detriment of the American Family

    Posted 10-22-2013 10:15 PM
    And one must wonder why so many of the "reformers" oppose a commission? Is it because the resulting changes to the current alimony law would take into consideration the needs of both sides and the impact of any proposed reform on both parties rather than advance the agenda of just one side of the equation? Most likely.

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    T. Sandberg Durst Esq.
    Princeton NJ
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  • 8.  RE:Huffington Post blog - "Alimony Reform Laws Focus on the Exception to the Rule and to the Detriment of the American Family

    Posted 10-22-2013 10:55 PM
    I think most of us realize that no two marriages are the same and that cases must be settled or tried and decided based on the particular facts and circumstances of each case. Formulas may appear to be an easy, quick fix but that doesn't make them fair or right. A fair and balanced study commission seems to be the right answer for both sides of this issue. The Assembly has passed a resolution calling for same. Hopefully, the Senate will follow suit. Name calling each other, or placing us in one box or the other, is not fair, nice or particularly helpful. One thing about us divorce lawyers (other than being extremely hard working :) ) we all represent both sides here -- both the payor and the payee. This requires us to be fair and intellectually honest as in the morning, we may be representing the spouse that needs alimony and in the afternoon, representing the side that has to pay it. We know both sides of the argument and need the law to be applied carefully, thoughtfully and respectfully. ------------------------------------------- Jeralyn Lawrence Esq. Bridgewater NJ (908) 722-0700 -------------------------------------------


  • 9.  RE:Huffington Post blog - "Alimony Reform Laws Focus on the Exception to the Rule and to the Detriment of the American Family

    Posted 10-23-2013 10:26 AM
    3 1/2 points:
        1. The  alimony reform movement in NJ is a direct response to Hughes v Hughes and while I have the utmost respect for Judge Drier and all of his contributions to the court system, telling trial judges  that they must consider permanent alimony at the end of a 10 year marriage was a monumental change that went too far. The public is now attempting to reign in the discretion given the court system as a result of Hughes, especially since such alimony guidelines are in place elsewhere.

         2.    The federal government directed the creation of child support guidelines years ago, because of inconsistent decisions governing the support of children. At the time, many were afraid that such a system would hamstring the judges and the lawyers to be creative and to address the specific needs of a particular family. The initial guidelines put in place in NJ actually treated the noncustodial parent who spent time with his children unfairly since there was no differentiation between no overnight time and 49% of the overnights - penalizing the parent who spent more time with his children by not adjusting the credits due him. That glitch was later addressed and corrected by the creation of separate parenting worksheets based on overnight time. 
        Similarly, years ago, we had "Roberts Hearings" to deal with settings where one party  sought the removal of the other party in a divorce setting because of threats, etc. The legislature then created the Domestic violence laws and there was great fear that it would be misused for tactical gain by one party against the other in a divorce by control of the marital home. Yet, since then, there have been s series a opinions out of the Appellate and Supreme courts addressing the "intent" of the domestic violence laws and admonishing trial courts for granting final orders where domestic violence claims were suspect. Those decisions have greatly helped to ensure that the DV  laws are not abused by  litigants seeking advantage in their divorce matters. 

        3. And the biggest issue ( and the elephant in the room) is the lack of consistency in rulings on alimony claims from judge to judge and from county to county - much of which I blame on the judiciary, for permitting a lawyer with no family law background or experience to leave his private practice ( i.e. real estate, corp., criminal law, etc) and within 30 days ( during which time he is "observing" other family law judges)  start  rulings on alimony claims, etc. 
        Most if not all of us feel that such a system is not fair to the new judge nor to the litigants and is a breeding ground for error. Again, when we ( as lawyers ) support this type of system, than we cannot claim outrage when the public reacts negatively to decisions rendered by judges with no experience or background in family law. The same applies when a judge is transferred from another section of the court system to the family part.
        Years ago, I was asked to accompany a judge from Japan, observing the Union County ESP program with the intent of taking back information learned to help the Japanese family court system. After spending about 5 1/2 hours with him that day, I concluded  that our judiciary  had  as much to learn about how to select judges for the superior court  as the Japanese  system had to learn about family law. 
        In Japan, before being given a robe, a candidate  was required to attend a specific judiciary education program and required to pass specific proficiency  requirements in the various areas of their court  system and before being able to transfer to another area of the court system, he again had to take and pass specific educational testing's to ensure his working knowledge of that area of law; none of which requirements are imposed by our system.
        Again, my remarks are not  intended as  criticism of new judges but a criticism of a judicial system that allows an individual  to "learn as he goes" as if everything he does in the family court system is merely common sense and readily apparent.   What is clear to me is that  the public no longer has faith in the breath of discretion granted the legal system and it has decided to pull back on the reigns. My sense is that alimony reform is coming to NJ just like same sex marriage was inevitable and presumably over the course of the  next several years, the alimony reform laws will be tweaked to better address   unusual or unique fact pattern cases.

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    Richard Diamond Esq.
    Millburn NJ
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  • 10.  RE:Huffington Post blog - "Alimony Reform Laws Focus on the Exception to the Rule and to the Detriment of the American Family

    Posted 10-23-2013 10:48 AM
    I sat as a Family Court Judge for more than 20 years. I do not understand the rush to create an alimony statute that replaces a body of law that  fairly dealt with the facts of a specific case for more than 50 years. I do not believe that there should be an alimony statutes with tables and formulas, but certainly the issues should be studied carefully, by a commission, before something that is not broken is fixed. Of course bad decisions have come down but that is why we have an excellent appellate system in N. J.  A family court is supposed to be a court of fairness. There are so many unknown factors that become relevant and disclosed only  when the adversary system operates as it should. How do you deal fairly with a man or woman who gave up a successful career to raise a family (yes there are Mr. Moms) and then at age 50, after a 19 year marriage, is being divorced by a spouse who earns $400,00 plus and who funded a top of the line lifestyle with a large home and first class vacations. Typically, the supporting spouse will be able to continue with a similar lifestyle post divorce and the supported spouse cannot. How do you factor into the equation the supported spouse who develops a serious ailment during the marriage? Is serious marital fault relevant? It would be a tragic mistake to pass the statute without serious study and public hearings. Herbert S. Glickman

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    Herbert Glickman
    West Orange NJ
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  • 11.  RE:Huffington Post blog - "Alimony Reform Laws Focus on the Exception to the Rule and to the Detriment of the American Family

    Posted 10-23-2013 11:37 AM
    As a family law practitioner for more than 40 years who practiced  down the hall from "Herb"  before he went on the bench and who appeared before him when he was on the bench I can attest that Judge Glickman (ret.) a former clerk for Chief Justice Weintraub knows his apples.. Serious study? "Si"! Formula? "No!"

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    Francis Grather Esq.
    Morristown NJ
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  • 12.  RE:Huffington Post blog - "Alimony Reform Laws Focus on the Exception to the Rule and to the Detriment of the American Family

    Posted 10-23-2013 01:03 PM

    I support Judge Glickman that a serious study of this issue should occur before any statutory changes are made.   I also strongly support Richard Diamond's point that making family court judges out of practitioners, who have never set foot in family court in their entire practice, is one of the causes of disparity in awards from judge to judge and county to county.  The thirty day observation period as part of judicial training is insufficient to give a judge totally unfamiliar with family law, the tools to decide issues such as alimony, custody, etc.  Recently I have had some very frustrating experiences with a judge totally unfamiliar with family law who is making decisions that effect a parent's relationship with theit child.  I have heard complaints about the same judge's alimony and support rulings as well.  Too many people consider family court the lowest and least desireable of the courts.

    Just as judges unfamiliar with the workings and law of family court should not make decisions that dramatically effect people's lives, legislators, who may or may not know family law, should not make radical revisions to that law without imput from the public and the legal community. 
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    Emily Gosnell Esq
    East Windsor NJ
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  • 13.  RE:Huffington Post blog - "Alimony Reform Laws Focus on the Exception to the Rule and to the Detriment of the American Family

    Posted 10-23-2013 01:26 PM
        As a family part judge, Judge Glickman was one of the most respected while on the bench and is still equally respected as a mediator / arbitrator. He also maintained a wonderful sense of humor in chambers with counsel that was disarming and helped counsel find compromise. 
        I also agree with his observations / concerns and am sure that every family law attorney shares his concerns about the erosion of discretion to be given to family part judges by the proposed alimony reform laws. Unfortunately,  I think that the pendulum swung too far in one direction when 10 year marriages could result in permanent alimony awards  and now we are seeing the consequence of same.
        While I think the mindset in Trenton is to move forward with an alimony reform package, a simple "compromise"  could be  barring permanent alimony awards for marriages less than 20 years and where the dependent spouse is less than 50 years old.  
        My sense is that the public / Trenton would not be outraged with language that stated that the court could only consider the award of permanent alimony to a dependent spouse married for 20 or more years and who is 50 years old or older.  

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    Richard Diamond Esq.
    Millburn NJ
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  • 14.  RE:Huffington Post blog - "Alimony Reform Laws Focus on the Exception to the Rule and to the Detriment of the American Family

    Posted 10-23-2013 04:46 PM
    Judge Dreier's opinion in Hughes was written 15 years ago.  Since then, New Jersey amended the alimony statute to provide for Limited Duration Alimony.  It seems that was, at least in part, very much a meaningful response to what many thought was too far a pendulum swing in Hughes.  It seems that the current alimony reformers are reacting to a more than just the Hughes case.  Maybe part of the problem with LDA is that the court must first rule out permanent alimony, which some may see as presumptive and therefore not reasonable.  The Commission, which I hope will be created, would undoubtedly include that issue in the mix.

    Whatever we say about what happens in litigated cases, the reality is that few cases are tried, and not all of them involve alimony.  What data do we have on those cases, other than those that are published or appealed?  Are the results really so disparate and unpredictable as some commenters have suggested?  I don't think we know.  Clients are always telling us about what a good deal or bad deal their friends got in their divorces.  But nearly all of those cases were settled -- not decided by judges.  All this points to the need for review and study of what actually is happening, how cases are decided, and what changes are warranted to our current statutory framework.


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    Amy Wechsler Esq.
    Warren NJ
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  • 15.  RE:Huffington Post blog - "Alimony Reform Laws Focus on the Exception to the Rule and to the Detriment of the American Family

    Posted 10-24-2013 12:01 PM
    I have to disagree slightly with my friend Richard Diamond. There  should not be a statute that prohibits alimony after a marriage of less than X years or prohibits an award to a dependent spouse who is less than a specific age. The reason why the present system has worked in most cases is that  trial courts have discretion to fashion a result that is fair to both parties AND TO THEIR CHILDREN. And when mistakes are made, the appellate courts usually correct them. I agree that in most cases a marriage of  10 years should not result in permanent alimony, but there should be discretion -  a 40 year old disabled spouse with a wage earner in  3 figures. And we know that "permanent" does not mean permanent. Removing discretion from the trial court is removing advocacy  from the court room. Herbert S. Glickman 75 Livingston Ave. Roseland NJ 07068. 973 577 1852                            

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    Herbert Glickman
    West Orange NJ
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  • 16.  RE:Huffington Post blog - "Alimony Reform Laws Focus on the Exception to the Rule and to the Detriment of the American Family

    Posted 10-24-2013 12:40 PM

    I take no offense to Judge Glickman's position and if there was no proposal pending in Trenton to change the alimony system, I would agree completely with him.
     I am simply a "realist", who believes that our legislature and the public want reform and therefore we need to be flexible and offer suggestions that they can buy into. Sometimes half a loaf is better than no loaf at all.
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    Richard Diamond Esq.
    Millburn NJ
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  • 17.  RE:Huffington Post blog - "Alimony Reform Laws Focus on the Exception to the Rule and to the Detriment of the American Family

    Posted 10-24-2013 12:44 PM
    I don't think that anyone wants to see either a removal of discretion or a removal of advocacy (any more than it is already done given the proliferation of the 1/3 rule of thumb to something just short of gospel - of course, I have been told that the rule of thumb in South Jersey was something less than 1/3). 

    Rather, I think that the conversation should not whether there should be consideration of the individual facts in each case, but rather why the same facts could create varied results from courtroom to courtroom.  How many of us have been to an Inns or Court or have presented at Judicial College and a common fact pattern was given out and when the judges were polled, there was anything but unanimity as to both the amount or the duration of alimony.  Putting a lot of the rhetoric aside for or against guidelines, it seems to me that this is a major concern for those who favor guidelines (I do not by the way).

    While I agree with Judge Glickman that if we don't know that the system is broke, how do we know that we need to fix it (and then how), it seems that whether we like it or not, there will be some change to the system. 

    As such, if there are going to be "presumptive guidelines" maybe we should be focusing on the trial court's discretion to deviate from the guidelines and further, suggesting numerous scenarios when deviation should at least be considered  (i.e. disability, young ages of children, substantial separate assets, etc.) 

    Moreover, when we are considering the impact of the marriage on the parties, as Brian Schwartz suggested in the last few days, I think that we collectively often focus too much on the recipient, without fully looking at both sides - marital lifestyle for example.  How often do we default to permanent alimony just because of the length of the marriage, ignoring the clear, and often documented family plan, that at a certain age before normal retirement age, the bread winner was going to retire or slow down.  How does that fit in our current calculus when the divorce happens a few years before that previously discussed end date?  We tell that bread winner, too bad, you have to work and maybe pay alimony forever.  If there is a commission to study this, the prism of fairness in the context of the relationship should focused on both parties.

    Simply put, if the so-called reform is happening one way or the other, should we not be focusing on education on when the presumptions are not appropriate?  And if "reform" happens, this is where the advocacy and discretion will abound.

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    Eric Solotoff Esq.
    Fox Rothschild LLP
    Roseland and Morristown NJ
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  • 18.  RE:Huffington Post blog - "Alimony Reform Laws Focus on the Exception to the Rule and to the Detriment of the American Family

    Posted 10-24-2013 01:22 PM
    I agree with most of the comments by Richard and Eric.  I think that very few of us support "traditional" guidelines.  However, I believe that most of us believe that we need more "guidance".  It is absolutely true that there is a critical lack of predictability and consistency in alimony awards.  Just as important, however, is the fact that our focus on the reasons why alimony is awarded need to be addressed.  I fully support a commission.  That's what should happen.  We need to study these issues and consider all views.  Personally, as I've written about recently, we need to clarify the public policy considerations for awarding alimony.  We need to de-emphasize marital lifestyle.  We need to move toward a compensation based approach.  In other words, the harm to the present and future earning potential of the dependent spouse should be the primary (but not only) focus.  Not always, but usually.  There are always exceptions, of course.  Also, we need to trust judges to deviate. If they won't or don't then this needs to be corrected.  I question my brothers and sisters in the family bar who argue that guidelines are too dangerous because, even if they are probably correct in most cases (which most who I speak to will admit), judges will not deviate in special cases where needed.  Therefore, you can't have guidelines (or more guideance such as presumptions).  Well, if that is true, then please explain to me how those same judges who you do not trust to deviate from guideliens will come to the correct conclusions as to amount and duration of alimony based upon the application of a myriad set of facts associated with unclear statutory factors?  Either they can or they can't.  I believe judges can.  Also, we are ignoring the 900 pound elephant in the room.  Many, many lawyers, mediators, arbitrators and judges use some "rule of thumb".  Are we to ignore the "practice" when we amend the "law"?  Why?  I also don't agree that guidelines necessarily prejudice the dependent spouse.  This is absolutely untrue and could go either way. I don't agree with the use of Rules of Thumb. Don't misunderstand.  I just question those who oppose so vociferously guidelines and then in their own practices or from the bench apply those self-same "guidelines".  Let's be clear on my view:  NO GUIDELINES.  NO A3909.  CONVENE A COMMISSION POPULATED BY EXPERIENCED FAMILY LAW ATTORNEYS AND RETIRED JUDGES.  STUDY THESE ISSUES.  AGREE ON NEW POLICIES.  TRUST THE JUDGES, BUT PROVIDE MORE GUIDEANCE.

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    Charles Vuotto Esq.
    Matawan NJ
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  • 19.  RE:Huffington Post blog - "Alimony Reform Laws Focus on the Exception to the Rule and to the Detriment of the American Family

    Posted 10-25-2013 03:50 PM


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    Mark Gruber Esq.
    Hopatcong NJ
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    I have shades of agreement with all who have commented. Everyone agrees a study is necessary. What the mission of the study will be will make an impact on the study report and recommendations.  I would like the study to focus on the following:
    (1)  Are there guidelines which are fair to both spouses?
    (2)  Should the guidelines be statutory factors and not guidelines which won't require deviation.( I like this one         because it sets some standard but preserves judicial discretion)
    (3)  If there are guidelines is there  language which will make it  easier to deviate depending on the circumstances.
    (4)  Study whether it is unfair to continue any alimony after cohabitation.
    (5)  Give more thought to factors or guidelines on retirement.

    The study should include a wide variety of people with varying positions so all points of view are considered.
    These are all tough issues and it is time to review and revise our statutes and rules.
     







  • 20.  RE:Huffington Post blog - "Alimony Reform Laws Focus on the Exception to the Rule and to the Detriment of the American Family

    Posted 10-28-2013 04:04 PM


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    Herbert Glickman
    West Orange NJ
    (973)693-6606

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    Of course, Hughes v Hughes with permanent alimony after a ten year marriage is not the end of the story. There are unreported cases that I keep in my file that I read periodically just to ask myself "why". These are unreported cases so be aware of Rule 2:6-2 if you use them for any purpose. In Kabir v Kabir ( A-1751-07T3),  decided by the Appellate Division in 2009, the court approved permanent alimony for a 33 year old woman after a nine year marriage. The Appellate Division stated that "permanent alimony does not require a marriage of specific duration or a supported spouse of a particular age." In Happold v Happold, decided by the Appellate Decision in 2011 (A-2792 -10T1), the Appellate Division reversed an award of limited duration alimony after a 20 year marriage. The Court stated that "there was inadequate recognition (by the trial court) of defendant's extreme dependence on plaintiff. The court provided no 'clear statement of reasons' which we held in Cox (335 N. J. Super. 483) was essential to justify denial of permanent alimony." Thus the need for a commission to study the entire issue of alimony. Herbert S. Glickman75 Livingston Ave. Roseland N. J 07068 973 577 1852