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  • 1.  Guardianship and Divorce for Elderly Father

    Posted 08-17-2016 06:16 PM

    Son wants me to handle Guardianship and Divorce for his 89 year old father ,  who married a 20 something wife about 10 years ago. Wife now apparently has boyfriend and dumped the elderly man with some dementia at son's home and son is concerned about what she is doing with his properties/finances.  Has anyone ever handled such a situation? What is my best approach here? File for guardianship first or or is there way to make that and divorce one action? Does anyone have pleadings for same? Thanks so much

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    Christine Moriarty Brophy Esq
    Upper Saddle River NJ
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  • 2.  RE: Guardianship and Divorce for Elderly Father

    Posted 08-17-2016 06:46 PM
    File for guardianship if he is truly incompetent. Josh Cheslow in my office handles guardianship cases every week. 

    Robert E. Goldstein, Esq.
    Drescher & Cheslow, P.A.
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  • 3.  RE: Guardianship and Divorce for Elderly Father

    Posted 08-17-2016 07:11 PM

    I personally endorse Josh without any reservation whatsoever. Extremely and knowledgeable attorney who knows his business back and forth and sidewise and who knows people well beyond his years in this sort of emotional business. God bless him in every conceivable way.

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    Metuchen NJ
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  • 4.  RE: Guardianship and Divorce for Elderly Father

    Posted 08-17-2016 07:58 PM

    A guardianship will take 60 days to work through, so I'd file the guardianship complaint on Order to Show Cause, asking for the appointment of a temporary guardian; restraints on transfer of any asset belonging to this man; asking for early discovery to be conducted by the temp guardian to determine what the wife has been doing and asking for the appointment of a guardian ad litem who could file a divorce complaint if needed.


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  • 5.  RE: Guardianship and Divorce for Elderly Father

    Posted 08-18-2016 08:46 AM

    Christine:  I sat on a MESP panel in Bergen with a similar situation.  From what I recall, the matrimonial judge appointed a guardian ad litem for the litigant whose cognition was in question.  The guardian ad litem, an attorney, then hired an attorney to handle the divorce proceedings. 

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    Mitch Steinhart, Esq.
    Bergen County Board of Social Services
    Rochelle Park, NJ



  • 6.  RE: Guardianship and Divorce for Elderly Father

    Posted 08-18-2016 08:55 AM
    Obtain Doctor's reports (2) confirming inability to handle his affairs, prepare Divorce complaint. File with OSC to appoint temporary guardian and freeze assets, etc
     
     
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  • 7.  RE: Guardianship and Divorce for Elderly Father

    Posted 08-18-2016 09:09 AM
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    Son will need a guardianship for long term anyway, hence my suggestion of starting on emergent basis through the guardianship process, which can also provide the restraints needed.
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  • 8.  RE: Guardianship and Divorce for Elderly Father

    Posted 08-18-2016 09:10 AM
    I believe these may be two different scenarios which play out differently depending on who is filing for the divorce. This is my take on things but I welcome comments, especially if I have missed anything.

    First, in Christine's case, the potential divorce plaintiff is seemingly incompetent. So he cannot file pro se nor can he contract with a divorce attorney to file for divorce. A third party such as a relative needs to hire an attorney (hard to do pro se in my opinion) to obtain guardianship on an expedited basis as outlined by Deb Guston. The guardian can then hire an attorney to file for the divorce, seek temporary injunctions and otherwise proceed in the incompetent individual's best interests. I do not see a need for a guardian ad litem here unless the guardian doesn't want to be the person making decisions in the divorce matter for some reason, e.g., conflict situation.

    Second, in a case where a competent plaintiff files for divorce from a seemingly incompetent defendant who does not have a guardian, a guardian ad litem must be appointed for the divorce proceedings. Or if there is a third party willing to pursue guardianship, they can go the expedited guardianship route as discussed above. I would ask for a stay of divorce proceedings until guardianship matter decided. However, if plaintiff seeking emergent relief in divorce, there would have to be a guardian ad litem for defendant for interim period until guardian appointed.

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  • 9.  RE: Guardianship and Divorce for Elderly Father

    Posted 08-18-2016 09:29 AM

    Just a caution with respect to a guardian ad litem under Rule 4:26-2. The role of the guardian ad litem, as envisioned by R.4:26-2 is not to serve as a party's lawyer, since, in most instances, that party already has an attorney.  In fact, the rule permits anyone, not just attorneys, to be appointed in this capacity.  Rather, the guardian ad litem  serves as an independent fact-finder, determines what action is in the client's best interests, and recommends that to the Court.  See Village Apartments of Cherry Hill v. Novack, 383 N.J. Super. 574 (App. Div. 2006).  The guardian ad litem is also to advise the Court if he or she believes that the incapacitation is not temporary or situational, and is sufficiently severe to warrant a formal competency hearing.

     

    If the party is not represented by an attorney, the GAL's role becomes muddy and confusing, because the GAL is not serving as the party's attorney.   A guardianship provides far more protections and sound like the way to go Christine.

     

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    Matrimonial Attorney, Mediator and

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    Shimalla, Wechsler, Lepp & D'Onofrio, LLP

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    Warren, New Jersey 07059

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  • 10.  RE: Guardianship and Divorce for Elderly Father

    Posted 08-18-2016 09:45 AM
    Yes, all good points.  Thanks for citing the rule.

    I wouldn't agree to serve as a GAL unless party was repped by an attorney.

    I know the rule doesn't require the GAL to be an attorney but I haven't experienced a situation where a non attorney GAL worked out very well.  

    Best of luck to you, Christine! Anne


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  • 11.  RE: Guardianship and Divorce for Elderly Father

    Posted 08-18-2016 11:47 AM

    You need a guardian to file the divorce, not a guardian ad litem.  See Julius and Kingsdorf, for example.  Divorce is a personal action.  It cannot be filed by a g.a.l. , just as the g.a.l. cannot "put through" the divorce-that can only be done by a guardian. 

     

     

     

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  • 12.  RE: Guardianship and Divorce for Elderly Father

    Posted 08-18-2016 11:12 AM

    Just be careful with this. I definitely recommend the guardianship before taking action on the divorce.

     

    I participated in a similar case where an elderly wife's adult son filed for divorce on her behalf but the son was not her guardian. Son justified the filing by using his power of attorney authority and it created many murky (albeit interesting) legal issues for the court as to whether or not the son had standing to file on his mother's behalf. (The question became: does a general POA give you authority to seek a divorce for an incapacitated person if that specific power is not outlined in the POA itself?)

     

    Ultimately the court appointed a GAL for the elderly wife and permitted the GAL to oversee the divorce action but the entire case was very complicated.

     

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  • 13.  RE: Guardianship and Divorce for Elderly Father

    Posted 08-19-2016 03:02 PM

    This comes up frequently from a Judges point of view in Civil, Family and Chancery. You cannot appear in court as power of attorney. A POA has the right to hire counsel but cannot act essentially "pro se" for another person in court.

     

    Let me just add that I think a competent attorney with Family experience can file such an application. There are forms on the info net you can use as a guide. I would guess 40% of the applications I see have been filed pro se.

     

    I am less concerned than some about which attorney files the application. Everyone who is interested is given notice and then it is up to the Chancery Judge to decided.






  • 14.  RE: Guardianship and Divorce for Elderly Father

    Posted 08-19-2016 05:48 PM

    I have participated in two of these cases.  In one, the adult sons did exactly what was done in Ms. Gambone's case - file for divorce under a POA (with both documents signed the same day....POA to son and son signing complaint for divorce)  The judge in that case was going to set a hearing to determine first whether the father had capacity to sign the POA and then, even if he did, whether the POA provided the son the authority to file the divorce complaint.  I pointed out at oral argument that since father was now in assisted living and they were spending through assets while mom was still lucid and living on her own in equitable distribution I would be requesting that all assets be awarded to mom because she needed them more than dad who, at some point, would qualify for Medicaid.  (We had lawyers working on the Medicaid issue.)  The case settled.

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  • 15.  RE: Guardianship and Divorce for Elderly Father

    Posted 08-18-2016 11:24 AM

    Hi Christine

    You can't simultaneously serve as divorce lawyer and lawyer seeking a guardianship.  One role is in total legal conflict with the other.

    Son should file for guardianship og father through a firm that specializes in that work.  Once guardianship is established, the Guardian may hire you to represent the father in the divorce.

    Proceed with caution.

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  • 16.  RE: Guardianship and Divorce for Elderly Father

    Posted 08-31-2016 09:14 AM

    I realize this was discussed two weeks ago, but there is an interesting case pending before the Kentucky Supreme Court concerning the right of an elderly man who has been declared incompetent to divorce his wife who is serving as his guardian.  There's a short article at  http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/can_mentally_incompetent_man_obtain_a_divorce_kentucky_supreme_court_to_dec

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    Mitch Steinhart, Esq.
    Bergen County Board of Social Services
    Rochelle Park, NJ