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  • 1.  Fidelity agreement

    Posted 06-04-2014 01:08 PM
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    Has anyone ever heard or have a copy of a fidelity agreement to be entered into between 2 people who are not married in which the male agrees to pay the female a sum of money if he is unfaithful during their relationship.

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    Larry Raiken Esq.
    Montville NJ
    (973) 808-2003
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  • 2.  RE: Fidelity agreement

    Posted 06-04-2014 01:13 PM

    My impression is that " morality" clauses such as this are disfavored; while these two are unmarried, it would bring fault into the equation.

     

    Sandy

     

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    The Durst Firm, LLC

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  • 3.  RE: Fidelity agreement

    Posted 06-04-2014 03:11 PM
    It sounds contrary to the "Heartbalm Statute" which banned damages for broken hearts regardless of cause decades ago.

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    Pamela Copeland Esq.
    Watchung NJ
    (908)561-6800
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  • 4.  RE: Fidelity agreement

    Posted 06-04-2014 03:33 PM
    As I recall, Bill Clinton said that his conduct with his intern did not constitute sexual relations and therefore did not constitute cheating.
    Conversely, Jimmy Carter said that  he has cheated in his "heart".
    Given the difference between our republican and our democratic leaders view of "cheating", not sure that it is safe or wise  for anyone to sign a "fidelity" agreement, especially if the other side will always be looking to profit from a "violation".

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    Richard Diamond
    Managing Partner
    Diamond & Diamond P.A.
    Millburn, New Jersey
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  • 5.  RE: Fidelity agreement

    Posted 06-04-2014 03:37 PM
    Don't you people have any work to do?  Enough.

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    Peter Paras Esq
    Red Bank NJ
    (732)219-9000
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  • 6.  RE: Fidelity agreement

    Posted 06-04-2014 03:49 PM
    On the contrary, this erudite discussionhas brightened up an otherwise dull day.
     
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  • 7.  RE: Fidelity agreement

    Posted 06-04-2014 03:54 PM

    The Scarlet Letter 21st Century Style.

     

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  • 8.  RE: Fidelity agreement

    Posted 06-04-2014 03:54 PM

    Yes, well, if we did not have family law issues to discuss, we would not be family lawyers

     






  • 9.  RE: Fidelity agreement

    Posted 06-05-2014 11:25 AM
    Steve:  send or call with your e-m.  time to talk about the music. 
     
     





  • 10.  RE: Fidelity agreement

    Posted 06-04-2014 04:14 PM
    Pint well taken Peter. What about the High Fidelity Agreement, or, as they are currently giving force to in California, the High Definition Agreement.

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    Curtis Romanowski Esq.
    Senior Attorney - Proprietor
    Metuchen NJ
    (732)603-8585
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  • 11.  RE:Fidelity agreement

    Posted 06-04-2014 06:08 PM

    Oops... Nice catch
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    Richard Diamond
    Managing Partner
    Diamond & Diamond P.A.
    Millburn, New Jersey
    973-379-9292
    [email protected]
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  • 12.  RE: Fidelity agreement

    Posted 06-04-2014 04:12 PM
    Clinton/Carter both Dems. lol

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    Curtis Romanowski Esq.
    Senior Attorney - Proprietor
    Metuchen NJ
    (732)603-8585
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  • 13.  RE: Fidelity agreement

    Posted 06-04-2014 03:29 PM
    First off... I am not able to reply without logging on (despite the zillion test replies that blew up my email yesterday). Yes, I have encountered these "fidelity agreements." NJ has been steadily moving away from any status of existing law that would invite nasty discovery practices (example: 5-1. Discovery c) Depositions of any person, excluding family members under the age of 18, and including parties or experts, as of course may be taken pursuant to R. 4:11 et seq. and R. 4:10-2(d)(2) as to all matters except those relating to the elements that constitute grounds for divorce, dissolution of civil union, or termination of domestic partnership.), use of boudoir photos, all but egregious marital fault, etc. Although enforceable in other jurisdictions, I'll go out on a limb to say that, if ever there were a case where a clause like this was litigated to decision, an apt decision would likely set aside the agreement for consistent policy reasons. IMO

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    Curtis Romanowski Esq.
    Senior Attorney - Proprietor
    Metuchen NJ
    (732)603-8585
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