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  • 1.  Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-09-2015 01:12 PM
    I have a client whose husband passed away with no will. They bought their home together two years before they got married as two unmarried individuals. The deed does not specify joint owners or tenants in common so I understand if the ownership is unspecified it is Tenants in common and she owns half by operation of law. Does the fact that they maintained this home as their principal residence as husband and wife give rise to a claim by her against his estate for the other half of ownership?
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  • 2.  RE: Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-09-2015 01:26 PM
    Gina Marie she should receive the entire piece of real estate with her right of survivorship as the spouse (assuming they were married when he died).
     
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  • 3.  RE: Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-09-2015 01:32 PM

    Tim,

    Are you saying the subsequent marriage automatically converts ownership of tenants in common to tenants by the entirety?

    I have no idea of the answer but it's a very interesting question.

     

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  • 4.  RE: Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-09-2015 01:34 PM

    That is exactly what I was going to ask. I later realized they have no children so either way his entire  estate will go to wife anyway by laws of intestacy.






  • 5.  RE: Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-09-2015 01:42 PM

    check the intestacy statute.  even if there is no children, the parents or siblings of the deceased inherit and the spouse has a 50% or forced share not the entire probate estate.  Any non-probate asset passes outside the estate and depends on the asset designation i.e. beneficiary on life insurance or IRA, POD on an account, Deed as tenants by the entirety or joint tenants with rights of survivorship.

     

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  • 6.  RE: Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-09-2015 02:00 PM

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  • 7.  RE: Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-09-2015 01:48 PM
    Once you put a ring on it, boom title changes.  (see Beyoncé, JZ et seq. )
     
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  • 8.  RE: Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-09-2015 02:16 PM
    Jamie and Tim:

    I do not believe a subsequent marriage creates a tenancy by the entirety out of a tenancy in common.

    I think Gina needs to contact a title insurance company to confirm that.

    Hope to see you both next week in Montclair.

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  • 9.  RE: Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-09-2015 03:08 PM
    Robert you are so wise.  In practical terms if no other heirs she gets under intestate rules as surviving spouse. 
     
    While question is not answered see:
     

    § 46:3-17.2. Tenancy by entirety

    • A tenancy by entirety shall be created when:
      • a A husband and wife together take title to an interest in real property or personal property under a written instrument designating both of their names as husband and wife; or
      • b.  A husband and wife become the lessees of real property or personal property under a written instrument containing an option to purchase designating both of their names as husband and wife; or
      • c.  An owner spouse conveys or transfers an interest in real property or personal property to the non-owner spouse and the owner spouse jointly under written instrument designating both of their names as husband and wife.
    • Language which states "....... and ......., his wife" or "........ and ........, her husband" shall be deemed to create a tenancy by the entirety .
     
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  • 10.  RE: Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-09-2015 03:24 PM

    Well of course the deceased spouse has children from a subsequent marriage.






  • 11.  RE: Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-09-2015 05:37 PM

    Peter Paras on the Law of Real Property: The Return of Blackacre

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  • 12.  RE: Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-09-2015 06:00 PM
    Peter and I went to the same law school, 2 years apart. 

    He is very bright. I say that especially since he agrees with me.



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  • 13.  RE: Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-09-2015 06:02 PM

    And how many people can claim or even admit to that distinction.

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  • 14.  RE: Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-11-2015 04:46 PM

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  • 15.  RE: Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-09-2015 01:34 PM
    I believe she will be able to seek her share of the house from her "elective share." If there was a will these problems would go away. As the house was bought prior to the marriage there is no right of survivorship (and not joint tenants)
     
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  • 16.  RE: Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-09-2015 01:39 PM

    Not if they got married.  they bought house pre-marital. Deed by operation of law is tenants in common if there was no designation on the deed.  Once they married and continued to live in the property as the  marital residence, the title designation automatically converts by operation of law to tenants by the entirety.  It is a non-probate asset controlled by the Deed not a will or the intestacy statute.

     

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  • 17.  RE: Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-09-2015 02:19 PM
    Alice:

    What's the statute that provides for that? Maybe I was incorrect but I have never heard that before. Interesting. 

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  • 18.  RE: Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-09-2015 02:20 PM
    She may not have an elective share depending on the size of her other assets.

    Robert E. Goldstein, Esq.
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  • 19.  RE: Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-09-2015 01:32 PM

    I agree with Tim.  If they married, the title was converted to tenants by the entirety by operation of law and the property goes to her by operation of law.

     

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  • 20.  RE: Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-09-2015 01:58 PM

    Could someone cite the Statute that transforms a Tenancy in Common to a Joint Tenancy upon marriage? I do know that married individuals can and do acquire real estate as Tenants in Common – especially in second marriages where there are children of a first marriage. I have never encountered the facts set forth in the question posed and it seems somewhat counter intuitive for the law to supercede what may be in other circumstances an estate plan consciously made to protect one's heirs.

     

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  • 21.  RE: Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-09-2015 04:16 PM
    Black's Law Dictionary may help; practice series Chap 5.13 may also; tome by Jacobs et als.  haven't had time to read all.  appears law treats H & W as one and there is a unity of time, interest, etc. that may serve to convert to entireties.
     
     
     
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    Robert you are so wise.  In practical terms if no other heirs she gets under intestate rules as surviving spouse. 
     
    While question is not answered see:
     

    § 46:3-17.2. Tenancy by entirety

     
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  • 22.  RE: Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-09-2015 04:22 PM
    Hornbook law: A husband and wife can take title as tenants in common. Nothing converts that to a tenancy by the entirety by operation of law. If the deed is silent as to the tenancy, the law presumes that a husband and wife take title as tenants by the entirety. A deed in one spouse's name, whether before or after marriage, places sole legal title in the titled spouse. Equitable title (e.g., equitable distribution) is another matter. Done. End of discussion.




  • 23.  RE: Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-09-2015 04:50 PM
    Agree 

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  • 24.  RE: Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-10-2015 04:51 PM

    Nope.

     

    Peter Paras accurately laid out the law yesterday.

     

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  • 25.  RE: Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-10-2015 05:55 PM
    Absolutely correct viewpoint 

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  • 26.  RE: Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-22-2015 11:01 AM

    I checked with a title agent from Chicago Title.  Marriage does not convert title to tenants by the entirety.  Deceased spouses's interest passes under the laws of intestacy.






  • 27.  RE: Equitable Distribution Claim against an Estate

    Posted 12-22-2015 11:10 AM
    Each party owns 1/2 of the house  so I don't see a claim agaist his estate.
     

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