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  • 1.  Divorce and Suicidal Spouse

    Posted 12-31-2016 04:11 PM
    Hi All:

    Client wife wants to file for divorce. Her husband has had suicidal ideations and one suicide attempt this year. He refuses to seek professional help.

    Please advise of any suggestions as to resources she can use to inform him that she is going to file for divorce, such as telling him in a safe setting and manner.

    TIA

    Happy New Year!!!


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  • 2.  RE: Divorce and Suicidal Spouse

    Posted 12-31-2016 10:38 PM
    My mom is a psychotherapist & suggests telling him with a therapist present, even if it's not specifically his therapist. 

    Krista Lynn Haley, Esq.

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  • 3.  RE: Divorce and Suicidal Spouse

    Posted 01-02-2017 11:23 AM
    Edited by System 12-28-2023 05:01 PM
    Pamela -
    <x-tab>        </x-tab>I'm glad you posted this. The issue of determining a party's dangerousness and what to do is something we should have mandatory training on (too bad I'm sure the program for the symposium has probably been completed already - this would make a great topic for one of the well-attended seminars). Anyway, it's hard to tell whether someone making those kinds of statements is being manipulative (it can be a heck of a way to control someone) or sincere, but it's not something to play with - I'd proceed as if it's sincere. Also, it's frightening in that someone that unstable can potentially ... well, the worst case scenario that we see out there is a possibility.
    <x-tab>        </x-tab>A couple of suggestions:
    <x-tab>        </x-tab>1. Be nice / sensitive. Unless there's a domestic torts claim (or, if the acts were over 2 years ago, a Tevis claim) and you must file an aggressive complaint, make it irreconcilable differences and put "no fault" in the caption. I just read a blistering article where a group of Family Court reform advocates pulled the public pleadings in a number of cases where murder-suicide occurred, and one of the huge correlations is incredibly nasty pleadings (with no legal benefit / justification, but filed so a client can vent - something I hope almost none of us would do).
    <x-tab>        </x-tab>2. Discuss with your client the option of filing for a Limited Divorce / Divorce from Bed & Board. She can tell him that it isn't a full divorce, but essentially a legal separation where "the bonds of matrimony still exist", but they will resolve all the issues (custody, support, e.d., etc) as if it were a divorce. If they don't reconcile in the future, it would form the basis of a divorce, but if they do work things out, the entire thing is erased "ab initio" (as if it never was).  Under a (dwindling number of) few insurance policies, you can maintain medical coverage (check the policy documents and see if "legal separation" is a qualifying event to terminate coverage). If so, it's an additional selling point. I primarily file these when there's (1) a religious issue [a Muslim or Jewish wife whose husband won't agree], (2) for insurance purposes, and (3) for emotional reasons like those you're describing. Of course, once the MSA/PSA is signed, your client can convert the judgment at any time. In case you're not familiar with the issue of limited divorces, a letter brief is below. A newly-appointed judge several years ago asked me for a quick letter brief on it, saying he'd never heard of a Limited Divorce (don't we love the new judges who don't take the "I know everything because I have the robes on" attitude, but will say "counsel, give me a quick letter brief on that issue - I want to get it right"?). It's below.
    <x-tab>        </x-tab>3. Make sure your client has a safety plan and is aware of the resources that are out there and the "red flag" warning signs.


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    Dear Judge:
    <x-tab>        </x-tab>In October, I submitted a consent judgment converting the limited divorce entered into in this matter in 2012 to an absolute judgment.  I received a call from your honor's law clerk indicating that the request should be refiled along with a memorandum of law briefly explaining the background of limited divorce (a/k/a Divorce from Bed & Board) as opposed to a regular (or "absolute" divorce), and the process of converting a judgment of limited divorce to an absolute divorce.
    <x-tab>        </x-tab>As indicated on the enclosed consent judgment, there is no opposition to this request.  Mrs. Smith consents to the conversion of the judgment (it was originally entered to keep her on Mr. Smith's medical insurance; she now has her own employer-provided insurance).  If there is any question about this, the Court can reach her personally at (732) xxx x 107 (work) or (732) xxx (home).
    <x-tab>        </x-tab>If the court has any further questions regarding this matter, please advise.
    Statement of Facts
    <x-tab>        </x-tab>The parties to this matter were granted a limited divorce in November 2012.  Plaintiff's insurance plan permitted him to continue defendant on his coverage for so long as they were subject to only a "limited" (rather than regular or "absolute") divorce.  There was no additional cost to maintain her on said insurance.
    <x-tab>        </x-tab>Mrs. Smith has had her own employer-provided insurance for well in excess of a year and the parties have agreed to convert the judgment.
    Legal Argument
    I.  THE COURT SHOULD ENTER THE ENCLOSED CONSENT JUDGMENT CONVERTING THE LIMITED DIVORCE TO AN ABSOLUTE DIVORCE.

    <x-tab>        </x-tab>Limited Divorce (also known as a Divorce from Bed & Board) is permitted by N.J.S.A. 2A:343, which provides:
    Divorce from bed and board may be adjudged for the same causes as divorce from the bonds of matrimony whenever both parties petition or join in requesting such relief and they or either of them present sufficient proof of such cause or causes to warrant the entry of a judgment of divorce from the bonds of matrimony, provided further that in the case of a reconciliation thereafter the parties may apply for a revocation or suspension of the judgment, and provided further that the granting of a bed and board divorce shall in no way prejudice either party from thereafter applying to the court for a conversion of said divorce to a divorce from the bonds of matrimony, which application shall be granted as a matter of right.

    <x-tab>        </x-tab> A judgment of divorce from bed and board decrees a judicial separation, but does not terminate the bonds of matrimony.  Weinkrantz v. Weinkrantz, 129 N.J.Super. 28 (App.Div. 1974), Mueller v. Mueller, 95 N.J.Super. 244 (App.Div. 1967).  The entry of a divorce from bed and board permanently fixes the property rights of each party against the other.  Lavino v. Lavino, 41 N.J.Super. 608 (Ch.1956), affirmed 23 N.J. 635, Loechner v. Loechner, 119 N.J.Super. 444 (Ch.Div. 1972).
    <x-tab>        </x-tab>It is most commonly used when a party's medical insurance will continue to provide coverage in the event of a separation, but not a divorce, when parties' religious beliefs are not offended by a legal separation or when the parties are close to the ten mark that permits a dependant spouse to share in increased social security benefits based on the earnings of the supporting spouse.  It can only be granted upon the joint application of the parties.
    <x-tab>        </x-tab>As a divorce from bed and board requires the same grounds an absolute (or "regular") divorce, an application for conversion of divorce from bed and board to absolute divorce requires no new findings of fact or conclusions of law.  If the application to convert the judgment is not joined in by the non-moving party, a motion for summary judgment is procedurally correct.  Horesta v. Horesta, 118 N.J.Super. 71 (Ch.Div. 1971).  The terms of a property settlement agreement entered pursuant to a judgment of divorce from bed and board remain binding on the parties upon conversion of the judgment.  Loechner v. Loechner, 119 N.J.Super. 444 (Ch.1972).  As the statute indicates, the conversion should be granted "as a matter of right." N.J.S.A. 2A:343.
    Conclusion
    <x-tab>        </x-tab>In this matter, there is no opposition to the request to convert the judgment and a formal motion is therefore not required under the rules.  Accordingly, the annexed consent judgment should be entered by the court "as a matter of right."
    <x-tab>        </x-tab>I thank the Court for its consideration in this matter.  Please feel free to contact me at the above email address or telephone number if there are any questions.

    Respectfully,



    David Perry Davis, Esq.






  • 4.  RE: Divorce and Suicidal Spouse

    Posted 01-02-2017 12:04 PM
    I am confident that every mental health professional is "cringing" at the idea of divorce lawyers taking a 3-5 hour course on dealing with suicidal / manic / bipolar divorce client matters to educate "us" on what we think the client should do if confronted with that setting.  
    I think the safer course of action is to suggest that the client meet with a mental health professional for guidance on handling the setting. 
    The client should talk with the professional and then the professional can advise the client on what the professional thinks is the best course of action for the client and for the spouse. 
    None of us know if the suicidal remarks are legitimate, an effort to reduce a potential support obligation  or an effort to create a dependency for support purposes - simply that a professional should be brought into the equation, starting with a meeting between the client and the expert so that they can map out the best course of action moving forward. 








  • 5.  RE: Divorce and Suicidal Spouse

    Posted 01-02-2017 05:14 PM
    I agree with what has been posted.  

    First, telling the party in a therapeutic environment (i.e. with a therapist and the other party) is a good idea.  It is a safe space for processing and helping put in place next steps.  

    A Divorce from B&B can also soften what can feel like an overwhelming loss or abandonment.  

    Anyone in a space of threatening suicide or bodily self harm should be regarded as both emotionally disregulated and in a lot of pain.  Anyone who threatens such things only to be manipulative should still be regarded as unstable and treated with both caution and compassion.  

    Helping the "suicidal" spouse get supports in place immediately is also critical.  This should include both friends, family upon whom he can rely and lean, and a therapist or more intensive treatment program, such as a day hospital or partial hospitalization program.  Along with the support system - all of whom, importantly, are not the divorcing spouse - the spouse should have a plan in place before leaving the therapist's office after being told.  He should have some concrete things laid out so he can get more grounded and feel more in control of himself and the situation.  Examples include an appointment with an attorney to consult, or an appointment with a therapist, or plan to stay over at a family members, could be set in place once he is told of the divorce.

    Finally, if possible, allowing the suicidal spouse some efficacy in the process helps.  For example, requesting his input as to the pacing of things - often moving a bit slower can give the non-moving party a chance to digest what is ahead and do some emotional catch up.

    Hope this is helpful.



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  • 6.  RE: Divorce and Suicidal Spouse

    Posted 01-03-2017 10:25 AM
    You may want to consult with someone from NAMI.  Here is the website for their locations in New Jersey.  http://www.naminj.org/support/affiliates/somerset/

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  • 7.  RE: Divorce and Suicidal Spouse

    Posted 01-09-2017 11:27 AM
    Perhaps we could focus on having a mental health expert on suicide and prevention speak to attorneys in terms of bringing sensitivity and awareness around the subject, helping us spot "red flags," and providing resources for clients [and attorneys] facing this.  This might be more appropriate than asking that mental health professionals provide tools/training for us to manage these issues at all, much less absent their support.





  • 8.  RE: Divorce and Suicidal Spouse

    Posted 01-09-2017 12:51 PM
    Just saw a NJICLE listing for a seminar entitled Handling Hidden Mental Health Issues in Family Law Cases- thought it may be of interest to some of you given the nature of the discussion.

    Best





  • 9.  RE: Divorce and Suicidal Spouse

    Posted 01-03-2017 11:45 AM

    Hi Richard

    When lawyers learn about the cycle of violence in DV courses, we are not studying to be our clients' therapist. Rather, we are learning emotional and behavioral basics about very complicated social interactions -- framed by the threat of violence or actual violence.  We learn about it to become better advocates when hired by either side.

    Similarly, basic lawyer education/information is important in the suicidal threats setting and would be helpful to the legal community, not for diagnosis or to substitute for therapy, but rather to help us direct our clients appropriately and even emergently.

    I have lost several clients to suicide during my practice, and I found it professionally devastating. I also have represented clients whose spouses threatened suicide, to keep them from initiating divorce. Also very difficult terrain on which to walk as lawyers.

    This would be a great and important CLE subject, IMO.

    Hanan






  • 10.  RE: Divorce and Suicidal Spouse

    Posted 01-03-2017 01:24 PM
    Richard -
    <x-tab>        </x-tab>Hanan took the words out of my mouth. I wasn't suggesting that we act as therapists (although we all know that we're at least partially in the role with many Family Law clients). I agree with Hanan that it would be an excellent CLE course - and one that should be mandatory. As with DV cases, attorneys need to know what the "red flags" are that we need to look for. Where's the line between a client venting and not meaning it and when we need to do whatever we can to act? When can we suggest to an adversary that there may be a safety issue based on statements from a client? When do we call 911? What are the boundaries on attorney-client privilege under these circumstances? When do we insist to a client that they get help if we're going to remain in the case? On the subject of DV cases, there should be required training on how to deal with a client who obviously needs protection but will not pursue it. And how does one approach these topics in a supportive rather than confrontational manner? Even if it's just a matter of learning how to most effectively get people to other resources, it needs to be done. And how do we, as attorneys, handle it if a "worst case scenario" occurs?


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  • 11.  RE: Divorce and Suicidal Spouse

    Posted 01-03-2017 02:43 PM

    I had a client in a non family law matter commit suicide in an extremely violent and public way.  He had been threatening to commit suicide every day for at least ten years according to his companion and one day, he did.  No specific trigger as far as anybody knew.  As Hanan noted, this type of experience can be devastating to the attorney.  I still remember how shocked and sad I felt.  

    This whole thread has been very interesting.  For me, it highlights the need for basic mental health education for attorneys on the topic of suicide. I stress the word "basic" because 1) we must be vigilant to never put ourselves in the position of substituting our judgment for that of credentialed mental health professionals, a temptation which I believe gets stronger the more we think we know and 2) each case is extremely fact specific so the basics are all we need to be able to make reasonable referrals to mental health professionals or other authorities.

    I think a CLE seminar developed by an attorney working with a mental health professional would be ideal.  The attorney could address the ethical issues which might arise under various common scenarios where a client or adverse party threatens to commit or has committed suicide.

    If anybody knows a mental health professional with specific expertise in this area who would be willing to work pro bono on such a seminar with me (and I am going to try to rope Hanan in here, too, with this posting!), please contact me off list at [email protected].

    On a much more positive note, I wish you and yours all a new year filled with peace, love,hope and joy.  Anne

    Anne Cralle, Esq.



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