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  • 1.  Department of Children and Families

    Posted 05-28-2015 12:58 PM

    Has anybody had much experience with the Department of Children and Families, formerly DYFS?  I just learned from a client of mine that she apparently received a few letters from the department asking her to call them.  The letters were addressed to Whom It May Concern and were slipped under her door.  Foolishly, she ignored them.  When she finally did reach out for the Division, they came to the house and interviewed her 4 year old.  They now want her to submit to a drug test tomorrow.   Can the Department require her to come tomorrow and if she doesn't go and advises them in advance that she can't do this, are there any immediate ramifications.  I am under the gun here or I would research this myself.

    Any help is appreciated.

    Lucy

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    Lucy Agostini Esq
    Verona NJ
    (973)239-7288
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  • 2.  RE: Department of Children and Families

    Posted 05-28-2015 02:04 PM
    Hi - My practice is maybe 70% defense of parents in these cases. The NJ Department of Children and Families is the "umbrella" department. Below that is DCPP (Division of Child Protection and Permanency), formerly DYFS. If she does not cooperate they can file a Complaint and take her to Court to get an order requiring her to allow them to investigate. Often that leads to allegations of abuse/neglect under Title 9. Best she cooperate now and do the urine screen. If she is fully cooperative and it turns out there is a serious problem, her cooperation may be the difference between a safety plan in the home and a Complaint under Title 9 for abuse/neglect. The Division has an enormous amount of power. If they think the children are at risk, they can remove them to foster care (Dodd Removal) and sort it out later in court. I practice in Gloucester and Camden counties mainly, but I can talk to you if you have more questions. Good luck.


    Carol A. Weil, RN, JD
    Attorney at Law
    1405 Chews Landing Rd., Ste. 8
    Laurel Springs, NJ 08021
    (856) 352-0050
    Fax: (856) 352-0276




  • 3.  RE: Department of Children and Families

    Posted 05-28-2015 03:58 PM
    Dear Lucy,

    I highly recommend reaching out to Jef Henninger, Esq. at (855) 953-3529.
    His website is www.fightdcpp.com

    Best wishes to your client.


    On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Carol Weil via New Jersey State Bar




  • 4.  RE: Department of Children and Families

    Posted 05-28-2015 06:36 PM

    Allison C. Williams, Esq.'s Curriculum Vitae

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    Allison C. Williams, Esq.'s Curriculum Vitae
    Fellow of the American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers Certified by the Supreme Court of New Jersey as a Matrimonial Law Attorney CHILD WELFARE COUNSEL Williams Law Group, LLC, 1945 Morris Avenue, Suite 7, Union, New Jersey (908) 810-1083 [email protected] BAR ADMISSION: Admitted in New Jersey (December 2003) and New York
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    If the question is DCPP, the answer is Allison Williams:

    http://newjerseydyfsdefense.com/allison-c-williams-esquire-the-aggressive-advocate-who-cares-for-clients/about


    - Dave


    David Perry Davis, Esq.
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    112 West Franklin Avenue
    Pennington, NJ 08534
    Voice: 609-737-2222
    Fax:    609-737-3222



  • 5.  RE: Department of Children and Families

    Posted 05-28-2015 06:45 PM

    100% agree with Allison. Carol Weil in South Jersey also excellent. 

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    Robert Goldstein Esq.
    Manalapan NJ

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  • 6.  RE: Department of Children and Families

    Posted 05-28-2015 07:23 PM
    And Dina Mikulka is great too. She is in Sparta. (973) 726-0555. Always good to have options!

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  • 7.  RE: Department of Children and Families

    Posted 05-28-2015 11:10 PM

    I agree with your response and I personally called her and gave her this exact response.  The only addition is that DCPP would file for an Order to Investigate which most Judges would grant so they then would have a court order for the rest to be done.  I routinely granted such request during my tenure on the bench given the statutory duty imposed on the Division to investigate all referrals of abuse and neglect.

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    Marquis Jones
    Mount Laurel NJ 
    (856)441-2000
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  • 8.  RE: Department of Children and Families

    Posted 05-29-2015 12:51 PM

    I would not be so quick to advise cooperation on these limited facts.  There is a calculus in determining when and if to cooperate with the Division during the investigative phase of a case.  If, for example, the risk of a Dodd removal is low (or if the parent is non-custodial, etc.) and the sole concern is parental drug use, then it may be best not to cooperate until the OTI is filed.  I recently had a case in which the Division threatened a client with an OTI and it took the Division four weeks to file it.  In Lucy's case, if the client is using, not cooperating could buy the client some time to stop using and produce a clean screen.  Also, a potential defendant can learn a lot from the Complaint for OTI, such as what the Division knows from interviewing the child and from collateral interviews, etc.  It would be helpful to know that before the client submitted to a drug screen and an interview.  What's more, the Division will often dismiss the Complaint for OTI on the day of the OTSC if the client agrees to cooperate after reading the OTI Complaint.

    In my opinion, the risk in a finding of abuse/neglect is mostly based on the facts that are born of the investigation, not so much on the subject's cooperation at the commencement of the investigation.

    DCPP defense is about half my practice.  We in the child welfare defense bar are not often lucky enough to have clients who consulted with counsel at the beginning of the investigation.  In my last two consults with potential clients in the investigative phase of a DCPP case, both involving allegations of third-party sex abuse of the child, I advised one to fully cooperate and one to politely cease cooperating.  I also advised both that it was premature to retain counsel.  Both called me back with a thank you and to advise the case was closing.  It doesn't always work out so well, but it's too complicated for cookie-cutter advice.

    The recent two-part WNYC radio story on racial disparity in DCPP removal cases may be somewhat informative here, as it deals with drug-related abuse/neglect cases.  It's all part of the calculus.

    When Race and Drugs Intersect, Children More Likely to Enter Foster Care

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    When Race and Drugs Intersect, Children More Likely to Enter Foster Care
    (JGI/Jamie Grill/Getty) The New Jersey Division of Child Protection and Permanency can come into your life with one phone call. "A person may call in and say, 'I saw a 2-year-old outside on the porch. I think there's marijuana use or drug use occurring in the home,'" said Amy Vasquez, a lawyer who represents parents in child protective cases.
    View this on WNYC >

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    Jordan Stern Esq.
    Law Office of Jordan A. Stern
    Chatham NJ
    (973)632-3526
    www.njsternlaw.com

    "If there's one thing you should take from this class, it's this: Read the statute to the very end--to the very last period." -Prof. George C. Thomas III, Rutgers-Newark School of Law
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  • 9.  RE: Department of Children and Families

    Posted 05-29-2015 02:08 PM
    I want to thank everyone who responded to my e-mail. In particular, Marques Jones, David Tawil and Francesca Blanco who even contacted me by phone. I considered everybody's opinions before I advised my client of her options. Unfortunately, as some time is the case, clients contact you later rather than sooner. By the time I found out about the problem, the interview had actually occurred.


    Lucy Agostini




  • 10.  RE: Department of Children and Families

    Posted 05-29-2015 02:25 PM

    The post has taken an interesting turn form the original question.

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    Marquis Jones
    Mount Laurel NJ
    (856)441-2000
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  • 11.  RE: Department of Children and Families

    Posted 05-29-2015 02:12 PM


    As said, I don't handle DYFS / DCPP matters, but refer them to Allison Williams. I'm sure there are others who are good as well - but, like what we do, it's no place for the inexperienced.  I handled a few of them early on, and have dealt with the Division when it's ancillary to a case, but even then only after speaking with Allison.

    All that said, there is one piece of advice I give anyone and everyone who will be coming into contact with the Division:  Tape everything.  As I hope all of us know, it's perfectly legal in New Jersey, you don't need the other party's knowledge or consent to do so.  During the few cases I had with DYFS involvement, there was more than one instance when ... shall we say... there were some very serious memory lapses with Division workers who had aligned themselves with one of the parties.  Or shall we say they lied on the stand. I have an amusing (and/or upsetting if you think about it) transcript where one had seriously mis-remembered a conversation with my client and, when confronted on the stand, the judge cut off the questioning, saying "she's not here to be cross examined... she was only giving us some information."   The judge went on to do the right thing anyway, so I never pursued it, but... have your tape them (always mention the date somewhere in the conversation) just in case.  Most DCPP workers (most people) are honest, but it's not a risk I'd advise a client to take.

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    David Perry Davis, Esq.
    112 West Franklin Avenue
    Pennington, NJ 08534
    Voice: 609-737-2222
    Fax: 609-737-3222
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