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  • 1.  Confirming - SSD & SS retirement benefits - basics

    Posted 12-16-2016 07:14 PM
    Can people confirm is these statements are correct? They're what I understand, but I just had a small argument on it (and want to make sure I'm right and correctly advising people):

    I'm using the more typical genders here, but obviously it would go either way (just too cumbersome and confusing to write "the lesser earning spouse" / "the greater earning spouse" this many times):

    1. When parties have been married 10 years or more (and Wife does not remarry), the SS retirement benefits are calculated on the earnings record of the Husband. The Wife is entitled to receive no less than 50% of the Husband's monthly benefit, even if her own earnings record is small or non-existent.

    2. If the Husband predeceases the Wife, her benefits will increase to the amount Husband was receiving.

    3. A Wife cannot receive benefits based on the Husband's earnings record until he begins collecting retirement benefits.

    4. If a Wife is receiving an amount less than 50% of Husband's benefit because she claimed benefits earlier than he did, her benefits will increase to 50% of the amount Husband receives when he begins receiving benefits.

    5. SSD benefits, by contrast, are based only on the earnings record of the person seeking disability benefits. A previous marriage is irrelevant. If the Wife doesn't have enough credits in the relevant time period, she cannot get SSD based on Husband's earnings record.

    Thanks!

    (The topic of SS benefits and divorce would make a decent ICLE conference (or at least a class / section on it as part of a longer program). It's really important we understand this and can advise people correctly)



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  • 2.  RE: Confirming - SSD & SS retirement benefits - basics

    Posted 12-16-2016 07:45 PM
    5. Is wrong. Disabled widows benefits are payable to a spouse who becomes disabled within 7 years of the spouses death and is over age 50. The retirement stuff sounded in the ballpark but that's not my area.

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  • 3.  RE: Confirming - SSD & SS retirement benefits - basics

    Posted 12-16-2016 07:58 PM
    I think I read your post too fast.  I missed the part about you talking about previous marriages.

    See below:

    § 404.335. How do I become entitled to widow's or widower's benefits?

    We will find you entitled to benefits as the widow or widower of a person who died fully insured if you meet the requirements in paragraphs (a) through (e) of this section:

    (a) You are the insured's widow or widower based upon a relationship described in §§ 404.345 through 404.346, and you meet one of the conditions in paragraphs (a)(1) through (4) of this section:

    (1) Your relationship to the insured as a wife or husband lasted for at least 9 months immediately before the insured died.

    (2) Your relationship to the insured as a wife or husband did not last 9 months before the insured died, but you meet one of the conditions in paragraphs (a)(2)(i) through (iv) of this section.

    (i) At the time of your marriage the insured was reasonably expected to live for 9 months, and the death of the insured was accidental. The death is accidental if it was caused by an event that the insured did not expect, if it was the result of bodily injuries received from violent and external causes, and if, as a direct result of these injuries, death occurred not later than 3 months after the day on which the bodily injuries were received. An intentional and voluntary suicide will not be considered an accidental death.

    (ii) At the time of your marriage the insured was reasonably expected to live for 9 months, and the death of the insured occurred in the line of duty while he or she was serving on active duty as a member of the uniformed services as defined in § 404.1019.

    (iii) At the time of your marriage the insured was reasonably expected to live for 9 months, and you had been previously married to the insured for at least 9 months.

    (iv) The insured had been married prior to his or her marriage to you and the prior spouse was institutionalized during the marriage to the insured due to mental incompetence or similar incapacity. During the period of the prior spouse's institutionalization, the insured, as determined based on evidence satisfactory to the Agency, would have divorced the prior spouse and married you, but the insured did not do so because the divorce would have been unlawful, by reason of the institutionalization, under the laws of the State in which the insured was domiciled at the time. Additionally, the prior spouse must have remained institutionalized up to the time of his or her death and the insured must have married you within 60 days after the prior spouse's death.

    (3) You and the insured were the natural parents of a child; or you were married to the insured when either of you adopted the other's child or when both of you adopted a child who was then under 18 years old.

    (4) In the month before you married the insured, you were entitled to or, if you had applied and had been old enough, could have been entitled to any of these benefits or payments: widow's, widower's, father's (based on the record of a fully insured individual), mother's (based on the record of a fully insured individual), wife's, husband's, parent's, or disabled child's benefits; or annuity payments under the Railroad Retirement Act for widows, widowers, parents, or children age 18 or older.

    (b) You apply, except that you need not apply again if you meet one of the conditions in paragraphs (b)(1) through (4) of this section:

    (1) You are entitled to wife's or husband's benefits for the month before the month in which the insured dies and you have attained full retirement age (as defined in § 404.409) or you are not entitled to either old-age or disability benefits.

    (2) You are entitled to mother's or father's benefits for the month before the month in which you attained full retirement age (as defined in § 404.409).

    (3) You are entitled to wife's or husband's benefits and to either old-age or disability benefits in the month before the month of the insured's death, you are under full retirement age (as defined in § 404.409) in the month of death, and you have filed a Certificate of Election in which you elect to receive reduced widow's or widower's benefits.

    (4) You applied in 1990 for widow's or widower's benefits based on disability and you meet both of the conditions in paragraphs (b)(4)(i) and (ii) of this section:

    (i) You were entitled to disability insurance benefits for December 1990, or eligible for supplemental security income or federally administered State supplementary payments, as specified in subparts B and T of part 416 of this chapter, respectively, for January 1991.

    (ii) You were found not disabled for any month based on the definition of disability in §§ 404.1577 and 404.1578, as in effect prior to January 1991, but would have been entitled if the standard in § 404.1505(a) had applied. (This exception to the requirement for filing an application is effective only with respect to benefits payable for months after December 1990.)

    (c) You are at least 60 years old; or you are at least 50 years old and have a disability as defined in § 404.1505 and you meet all of the conditions in paragraphs (c)(1) through (4) of this section:

    (1) Your disability started not later than 7 years after the insured died or 7 years after you were last entitled to mother's or father's benefits or to widow's or widower's benefits based upon a disability, whichever occurred last.

    (2) Your disability continued during a waiting period of 5 full consecutive months, unless months beginning with the first month of eligibility for supplemental security income or federally administered State supplementary payments are counted, as explained in the Exception in paragraph (c)(3) of this section. The waiting period may begin no earlier than the 17th month before you applied; the fifth month before the insured died; or if you were previously entitled to mother's, father's, widow's, or widower's benefits, the 5th month before your entitlement to benefits ended. If you were previously entitled to widow's or widower's benefits based upon a disability, no waiting period is required.

    (3) Exception: For monthly benefits payable for months after December 1990, if you were or have been eligible for supplemental security income or federally administered State supplementary payments, as specified in subparts B and T of part 416 of this chapter, respectively, your disability need not have continued through a separate, full 5-month waiting period before you may begin receiving benefits. We will include as months of the 5-month waiting period the months in a period beginning with the first month you received supplemental security income or a federally administered State supplementary payment and continuing through all succeeding months, regardless of whether the months in the period coincide with the months in which your waiting period would have occurred, or whether you continued to be eligible for supplemental security income or a federally administered State supplementary payment after the period began, or whether you met the nondisability requirements for entitlement to widow's or widower's benefits. However, we will not pay you benefits under this provision for any month prior to January 1991.

    (4) You have not previously received 36 months of payments based on disability when drug addiction or alcoholism was a contributing factor material to the determination of disability (as described in § 404.1535), regardless of the number of entitlement periods you may have had, or your current application for widow's or widower's benefits is not based on a disability where drug addiction or alcoholism is a contributing factor material to the determination of disability.

    (d) You are not entitled to an old-age benefit that is equal to or larger than the insured person's primary insurance amount.

    (e) You are unmarried, unless for benefits for months after 1983 you meet one of the conditions in paragraphs (e)(1) through (3) of this section:

    (1) You remarried after you became 60 years old.

    (2) You are now age 60 or older and you meet both of the conditions in paragraphs (e)(2)(i) and (ii) of this section:

    (i) You remarried after attaining age 50 but before attaining age 60.

    (ii) At the time of the remarriage, you were entitled to widow's or widower's benefits as a disabled widow or widower.

    (3) You are now at least age 50, but not yet age 60 and you meet both of the conditions in paragraphs (e)(3)(i) and (ii) of this section:

    (i) You remarried after attaining age 50.

    (ii) You met the disability requirements in paragraph (c) of this section at the time of your remarriage (i.e., your disability began within the specified time and before your remarriage).







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