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  • 1.  Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 05-31-2017 11:25 AM
    So, hypothetically, what happens when there are major changed financial circumstances after the parties sign settlement MOU at mediation, but before the preparation and signing of a PSA?  Specifically, if the alimony paying spouse is suddenly fired (no warning) from his job (sole source of income) a few days after the mediation?
    Of course there there is the signed agreement with the basics of a settlement (including alimony), but any PSA and final court hearing require both parties to state that they can support themselves under the terms of the settlement.  One party now cannot say that.

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  • 2.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-01-2017 03:18 PM
    An MOU is not binding until it is incorporated into a MSA.  Did they sign the MOU at mediation because they should not have.  Once a document like an MOU is signed, then it becomes evidentiary and you would likely have to have a Harrington hearing if the parties cannot agree.  I would encourage both sides to return to mediation and build in provisions that would allow sufficient time for the wage earner to secure another job.  You could do a step up in support with time guidelines and an opportunity for reconsideration once s/he is employed once again. You could also borrow against assets with the proviso that the wage earner pay those sums back once s/he is employed.  Good luck.

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  • 3.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-01-2017 03:22 PM

    Does the MOU address changed circumstances? If so, they may have a binding agreement under Harrington if the factors are met.  If it doesn't address whether or not they waived Lepis rights, then the MOU is hardly comprehensive and therefore not an enforceable agreement.


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  • 4.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-01-2017 03:27 PM

    I disagree 100% that parties should not sign a MOU at the conclusion of mediation. The case law is clear that if they do not sign the MOU at the end of the mediation, either can back out of what they agreed upon at mediation. Generally what most of us do is put in the MOU that the parties agree that the MOU terms are the major provisions of an agreement reached at mediation and are subject to a more formal MSA being prepared by the attorneys for the parties. But in my view, it undercuts the effectiveness of the mediation process for them not to sign a MOU if they have reached an agreement at mediation.

     

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  • 5.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-01-2017 04:16 PM
    Perhaps, there is a clear demonstration of inherent problems with signing a MUA. What is being enforced? What is open? Are the open items to be included? How can open items be included if they were not referenced in MUA? Is the bare-bones MUA the Agreement? How can additional items/thoughts be mandated in a further Agreement/agreement?

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  • 6.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-01-2017 04:23 PM
    I'm a member of the New Jersey Associate of Professional Mediators, and the overwhelming majority view is that clients do not sign an MOU, and it is not intended to be a binding document. It is supposed to be a reflection of the agreements reached during the mediation, and should not be binding unless and until it is incorporated into an MSA. 





  • 7.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-01-2017 04:36 PM

    The binding nature is a separate issue. If you make the MOU contingent on the parties entering into a more formal MSA, I don't see a problem. I think they still walk away with the thought that they are well on their way to a settlement. There's too much temptation for those who are difficult to begin with to simply change their minds and now they (and you) have wasted hours.

     

    Maybe I have the "minority view", but in the mediations I do with attorneys present, the attorneys are happy that the clients sign a MOU at the conclusion of the mediation.

     

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  • 8.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-01-2017 05:20 PM

    In my view, the traditional "MOU" is not intended to be signed. However, if the parties (and their counsel) intend the parties to be bound by whatever terms are contained in the document, there is nothing wrong with the parties knowingly and voluntarily entering into a comprehensively drawn document. It takes more time and effort to do an "MOU" that is binding than a general listing of major terms. In some sense, it can be viewed as a partial or min-MSA. However, you need to be careful with the enforceable terms as drafted and must deal with "the rest of the stuff". One way that I've done that when we want to nail down the major terms agreed upon, but there are minor terms and "boiler plate" language left open, I put the following in the MOU:

     

    Marital Settlement Agreement ("MSA"):  The above terms shall be incorporated into the parties' Marital Settlement Agreement ("MSA"), which will be drafted by ____. The terms herein include the major terms between the parties.  Therefore, the parties agree that there may be certain minor terms that need to be incorporated into their MSA that have yet to be negotiated. However, failure to agree to said minor terms shall not alter the parties' agreement to these major terms. If the parties cannot resolve the minor terms and language issues related to the MSA, they shall attend no fewer than two mediation sessions with a mutually acceptable mediator to resolve those terms. If those terms cannot be resolved in mediation, then the parties shall seek resolution from the court. However, resorting to the court to resolve the minor terms and MSA language issues shall not impact their agreement to the major terms detailed herein.

     

    Thoughts?

     

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  • 9.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-01-2017 05:28 PM
    Yes/No. One party's 'minor' terms are another party's 'major' terms. Also the leverage fulcrum adjusts by whomever wants a term. Also, a Court may not be empowered to insert a term. Further, the party who achieved their objective may have no incentive to do anything more.

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  • 10.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-01-2017 05:41 PM
    Since I have seen, more than once, divorcing parents willing to go into full gladiator fight to the death mode over a child's outfit gone "missing" while at the other parent's home, I fear the word "minor" is not specific enough.

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  • 11.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-01-2017 05:52 PM

    Chuck:

     

    I think you are on the right track. I don't necessarily think "two mediation sessions" would always be the way to go if the parties cannot agree on the "minor terms", but I think what you have suggested is a lot better than no MOU at all.

     

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  • 12.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-01-2017 05:32 PM
    I see too many potential issues in having a client sign a MOU after a non-binding mediation. If the client authorizes it, I think a letter from me to the other parties' attorney listing areas of discussion and potential agreement on same as part of a full settlement disposing of all issues is a better way to go. Of course, the letter will clearly state it was created as part of ongoing settlement negotiations, is non-binding and not meant to be used for any other purpose than to create a record of settlement discussions which occurred during mediation, for use by the parties exclusively.

    Or if there are reasons to not send a letter to an adversary, I would consider creating a memo to the client's file which I would go over with them and note their comments, if any.

    I have really enjoyed this thread. I always welcome the opportunity to hear how and why other attorneys handle issues such as these.

    Anne

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  • 13.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-01-2017 05:55 PM

    Anne:

     

    What do you (or any of you who are following this do) when you're the mediator for parties who attend without attorneys? Do you have them sign a MOU? Do you prepare a MOU and insist they have to take it to their own counsel before signing it?

     

     

     

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  • 14.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-01-2017 05:58 PM
    If it is a private mediation with no attorneys then it is an unsigned MOU and I put language that it must be incorporated into an agreement after consultation with counsel and is not to be attached to final judgement as NSA.

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  • 15.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-01-2017 06:23 PM
    Alice:

    Do you put language that it "must/shall" be incorporated or that it "may" be incorporated after consultation with attorneys? Thanks, Anne

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  • 16.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-01-2017 06:19 PM
    Great question! I can't answer because I have never been a mediator in a family law matter. But let me think about it as a hypothetical for a bit and then I will post again.

    Btw, I definitely understand the frustration and wasted time issues you mentioned. And about clients changing their minds. I even had the great pleasure of a client changing his mind on the stand once.

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  • 17.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-01-2017 06:57 PM
    I never have the clients sign an mou with or without attorneys. An agreement under any kind of pressure does not form the foundation for a durable agreement. I would rather deal with the change of heart than the repercussions of resentment and dissatisfaction. If they have not seen attorneys during the process I want them to see attorneys to review and one of them draft the agreement. 

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  • 18.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-02-2017 11:51 AM

    Anna-Maria:

     

    Maybe I am going to have to re-think my approach. But the following is important and played into my thinking:

     

    The case law, Willingboro Mall, Ltd. V. 240/242 Franklin Avenue, LLC, 215 N.J. 242 (2013) states as follows:

    "In summary, if the parties to mediation reach an agreement to resolve their dispute, the terms of that settlement must be reduced to writing and signed by the parties before the mediation comes to a close. In those cases in which the complexity of the settlement terms cannot be drafted by the time the mediation session was expected to have ended, the mediation session should be continued for a brief but reasonable period of time to allow for the signing of the settlement. We also see no reason why an audio- or video-recorded agreement would not meet the test of "an agreement evidenced by a record signed by all parties to the agreement" under N.J.S.A. 2A:23C–6(a)(1) and N.J.R.E. 519(c)(a)(1). See UMA Drafters' Comments, supra, at § 6, comment 2. To be clear, going forward, a settlement that is reached at mediation but not reduced to a signed written agreement will not be enforceable."

    To me, the issue is whether the parties wish the terms they agreed to at the conclusion of mediation to be enforceable. Nobody forces them to sign a MOU or term sheet, which expressly is made subject to a more formal MSA being executed. But I do wonder what service we, as mediators, are providing if one or both parties can just walk away because nothing is signed.

     

     

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  • 19.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-02-2017 12:07 PM

    Thoroughly agree with Bob and also agree with Chuck's suggested language when lawyers are involved in the mediation.

    If no lawyers then the parties MUST first be given the opportunity to consult with attorneys before entering into any binding agreements.

     

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  • 20.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-02-2017 12:29 PM

    Agreed. Just to be clear, my language is used when counsel are involved.

     

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  • 21.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-02-2017 12:32 PM

    I hear you, Bob. Willingboro was a civil matter. I see families needing a lot more work before people can sign and walk away since there is so much continuing interaction in families after a divorce. I am concerned with the durability of any agreement when someone may sign after long hours,  just to settle and get out of there. I'd rather see them schedule another mediation or even attend that court appearance if necessary before they take up that pen.  If they want to sign that MOU fully understanding the consequences then of course, move on. I have seen attorneys though rushing to get something on paper and getting it signed to capture "the agreement".  I don't think that does service for the client either.  

     

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  • 22.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-02-2017 12:47 PM
    My concern remains. If the parties sign a MOU and then they cannot/will not sign anything else, is everyone comfortable with just that MOU standing alone?

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  • 23.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-02-2017 02:53 PM

    I started following this thread last night and knew it was controversial by the tones going off on my cell phone during the six o'clock news.

     

    I'm a Bob Goldstein friend but, respectfully, disagree.  If I'm mediating, and there is an agreement, I will report it to the Court (if an EM), but I won't do a writing to be signed, unless it is requested.  I certainly don't recommend it.  It's not a lot different from the bad old days when judges would try to force people into putting the "agreement on record", just so they can put it through and get another notch on their belt.  I haven't done that since the 1970s and am embarrassed that I ever succumbed to that kind of nonsense.

     

    The chance that the "agreement" could fall apart from the time of the final mediation to the time of signing an MSA, is worth the risk, it seems to me.  If that would happen in a particular case, then the whole concept of having a signed and perhaps enforceable MOU in that same case is only going to lead to trouble anyway.  In other words if the agreement fell apart between the day of the mediation and the time to sign the MSA, then chances are it was going to fall apart anyway with a signed MOU  --  in which case you've got a potential Harrington situation, which is never a good result. 

     

    The idea of tacking down the parties to an "agreement" at the mediation gives no opportunity of contemplation.  Each party should be able to sit with his/her  attorney, with the assistance of our digital wizardry, and analyze what the "agreement" really means.  In virtually all cases, that is important.  A party should know what the mediated agreement means in real terms.  That is not always done at mediation.

     

    But even if it were done at mediation (I will often produce a disposable income schedule if it seems warranted.), what is so wrong with the attorneys going over the schedule with their clients on their own computers within a reasonably short period of time of the conclusion of mediation?  Maybe the mediator didn't take something in to consideration when he or she ran the numbers.  Maybe he or she just made a mistake.  Should an agreement be binding when a mistake is made and not caught when it perhaps could have been caught, given a little contemplative time?  Doesn't it make sense that the parties with their attorneys take the time to clarify and review before pen goes to paper? 

     

    I realize that a lot of what I am talking about can be done in scenarios by the advocates before the mediation even takes place.  And if so, that's great.  But it's pretty rare that it happens, it seems to me.   It's even more rare that it's done by both advocates in advance.  And it's certainly  very rarely done by the mediator in advance. 

     

    I started off with this rant by saying "if I'm mediating".  I really do not mean to limit my opinion from just the standpoint of the mediator.  If I'm the advocate, the aforesaid opinion is just as relevant – maybe more so.  I want my client to have a fully contemplated agreement.

     

    Just my two cents.

     

     

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  • 24.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-02-2017 03:03 PM

    Agreed!

     

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  • 25.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-02-2017 03:08 PM

    While I may be in the minority, in my perfect world, an MOU reached at mediation without counsel present should not be signed and Mediators should not request that it be signed. Indeed, I believe that Mediators should not accept signed MOUs or MSAs in such situations. All litigants should have the right to have their attorneys review such agreements – something like an ounce of protection is worth a pound of cure. People make mistakes, including Mediators and without review by counsel, I can only wonder why the individual is paying an attorney. And yes, everyone does make mistakes, including Mediators and what happens when mistakes are discovered subsequent to execution?   

     

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  • 26.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-02-2017 03:27 PM

    Exactly. 

     

    And with all due respect to my fellow mediators, why would litigants want to rely totally on the mediator for the ultimate guidance in resolving their matrimonial case?  The mediator is certainly not imparting legal advice really.  He may think he is, or the parties may think he is, but he obviously just cannot be with both parties sitting alone in front of him.  The litigants are doing this all without legal representation.  It just makes no sense to me, never has.  Three heads are always better than one.

     

    In any respect, then each party takes the unsigned MOU (which, as you say,  obviously should be unsigned) to Joe Smoe, Esquire and tasks Mr. Smoe with drafting an MSA from the terms of the MOU.  Any legal advice being imparted there?  Probably not.  In any respect, probably Mr. Some's retainer agreement, under that scenario, would certainly relate that the party is not getting any legal advice.  Lawyer Smoe is just the scrivener. 

     

    But I suppose that kind of scenario is for the simplest of cases, and perhaps there is no real harm done.  Lawyer Smoe has a final opportunity to make a wrong right.  If he is unable to do that, he can certainly withdraw; that usually gets the party's attention.

     

     

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  • 27.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-02-2017 04:27 PM
    Even in a non family law matter where both parties were represented by counsel and were commercial entities or highly sophisticated individuals who would be hard pressed to say later they didn't understand the terms, I would still have reservations about advising a client to sign anything on the spot.  Unless it was a situation where I had all the boilerplate language handy and the parties just had to fill in some blanks, e.g., settlement amount, payment terms, etc.

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  • 28.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-02-2017 05:15 PM

    Respectfully, I don't think this is about having the boilerplate language available or filling in the blanks. It has been my experience in the matrimonial world that there is a certain dynamic in all marriages where one personality is somewhat more aggressive than the other. When the parties are by themselves with a Mediator and the sessions go on at length, it is, generally speaking, the more assertive personality will prevail and that is precisely why clients need legal advice. Within the field of Mediation, I think it is fair to say that there is an extremely fine line between "educating" the parties and "advising" the parties. Education is OK – advising is not. It has always been my understanding the Mediation attempts to bring parties together and let them decide what is best for themselves. Sounds good, but what happens when one party is demanding something that is unwarranted. Does the Mediator point out that such a demand may or does exceed the boundaries of objective practice? And what then happens at the end of the day and the pressure mounts to "get it done!!". It is all well and good for someone to draft an MOU for the parties to take to their lawyers but something entirely different to seek the signatures then and there without advice of counsel.

    In the end, all Agreements should be exactly that – Agreements. Not subject to the heat of the moment. If it is a decent Agreement, I would hope that all attorneys worth their salt would so advise their clients and the Agreement can go forward. If not, there would have to be a reason – better not to have an Agreement that a party regrets for years to come than to wait a few hours to see if everyone can live with it.

     

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  • 29.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-02-2017 05:20 PM

    I agree with Gerry. I do think there are some differences, as has been discussed, between a post-economic mediation when there are attorneys present, and a private mediation that the parties have attended without counsel. In representing a client in post-economic mediation, I sometimes feel the issues have been thoroughly enough discussed with the client for a signed agreement to be appropriate. If I am the mediator, with two parties who have not yet consulted with counsel, or don't have counsel present, I am not comfortable with the MOU being signed. I can't stop the parties from going off and signing it, but I advise them to use review counsel.

     

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  • 30.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-02-2017 05:58 PM
    Dear fellow matrimonial mediators:
     
    These discussions have been very interesting. I can't recall an issue with so many posts. I concur with Anna-Maria and many others; and indeed there seems a general consensus, at least among those of us who regularly do family mediations, that we should not have the parties sign the MOU. Indeed, we were trained that way, so that the clients could obtain independent legal advise. I also agree with the most recent post from Mr. Skey that there is very fine line between educating and giving advise. 
     
    One issue that no one has raised is whether or not the family mediator can skip the MOU and instead prepare the Property Settlement Agreement ("PSA") which can then be taken to the respective attorneys for review, modification if necessary and then signing. I have found that in a certain small subset of mediations, especially where the issues are complex and many sessions have been required to reach a resolution, when you explain the usual process, i.e., preparation by the mediator of the MOU which does not get signed and then taking the MOU to the lawyers to draft the PSA, there is pushback. Sometimes both parties are looking for the matter to be completed more quickly than might be anticipated if one of their lawyers drafts the PSA, or for various reasons do not want to have lawyers overly involved. One or both of the parties may feel that there are still open issues and they want to nail down all the issues, even the small ones. Indeed, by the time I prepare the MOU in a complex case, I could have drafted the PSA.   
     
    And so, in a very small number of my family mediations I have offered to prepare the PSA - carefully explaining that this is the operative document which MUST be reviewed by counsel and then, and only then can it be signed.  I educate the parties, and we discuss, if necessary, the boilerplate paragraphs. There are thus no unresolved issues, even small ones. The only "blanks" in the PSA are the names of the parties' respective attorneys, if they have not already obtained lawyers.  
     
    In the instances where I have drafted the PSA, I also explain the difference between the MOU and the PSA (for example that the PSA does not have the premises detailed, whereas the MOU does) and why I am willing to draft the PSA. On several occasions over the past 20 years, the parties have requested that I draft the PSA, and I have. In those mediations there is no MOU.
     
    I would appreciate your thoughts. Have any other family mediators offered to prepare the PSA rather than doing an MOU?  
     
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  • 31.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-02-2017 06:07 PM

    For the exact reasons you state, I have drafted MSA / PSA.

    1. All "minor" issues for one party, "major" for the other, have been ironed out.
    2. It states I acted as mediator and with the parties' consent, drafted the MSA [if counsel is hired already, with counsel as well]
    3. MSA is pending review with counsel.
    4. When I send it out, I often include counsel on email, if retained.
    5. If counsel have a few agreed to edits, no issue – make them and send revised.
    6. If counsel has several sticking points, we schedule a session with counsel in the room.

     

    NOTE: Make sure you note in MSA / PSA you are the mediator, not advocating, and you are drafting for XYZ purposes [e.g., parties request, complexity of issues, counsel joint request, etc.], but the wording and substantive terms are to be signed off by parties, and their counsel, once each party had the opportunity to meet with their counsel.

     

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  • 32.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-02-2017 06:32 PM

    This has been interesting! As a mediator, I have not prepared a PSA for the parties with or without attorneys but I have sat with a couple and their attorneys with a draft PSA while they "fill in the holes"  or tweak language.

     

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  • 33.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-02-2017 07:48 PM
    Dan:

    I will prepare the MSA only if everyone agrees. I prefer not to do it. My retainer agreement calls for a separate fee for me to prepare it if the parties and their attorneys want me to prepare it. It is a rare occasion for me to prepare it.

    I have considered everyone's opinions in this thread. I think that going forward, I will prepare the MOU but not have the parties sign it. I have actually done that not long ago.

    I will say that parties make agreements to settle under pressure in all types of cases, whether because they don't want to try a case or for a variety of other reasons. Plenty of civil litigants settle cases under pressure. I have done a lot of civil litigation, and I can tell you that getting a client to settle a tort or contract case has lots of tension involved. The family law field really is not sui generis when it comes to settling under pressure.
    Despite this, I respect and have considered the wise opinions of those in this thread and will put into practice many of your ideas. Thanks.

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  • 34.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-02-2017 07:32 PM
    My comment was about non family law matters. In line with the discussion of the Willingboro case.

    I wouldn't have parties in family law matters ever sign agreements on the spot after mediation sessions. I understand why some attorneys disagree and choose to do so.

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  • 35.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-02-2017 06:24 PM

    Allan,

     

    You are spot on. This supports my prior email. I will give you a simple example. "Parties will split the 4 minor children on their tax returns...."

     

    Innocent enough. Payor is $250 behind in support, does he still get the 2 deductions? $2,500? $20,000? While you don't want, as mediator to act as an attorney, "the devil is in the details" and I believe the MOU itself is as basic "bullet point outline" list for client to discuss with their counsel. Shouldn't be anything more.

     

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  • 36.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-02-2017 03:17 PM

    Anna-Maria:

     

    I agree with the general sentiment that a family law matter possibly is more sensitive (although I have been involved in many civil cases where emotions also have run high) but the language in Willingboro Mall is not limited to mediation of civil cases.

     

    I think whatever a mediator decides should be done regarding a MOU, it might be wise to spell it out in the mediation retainer agreement.

     

     

     

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  • 37.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-01-2017 07:30 PM
    On the original issue, a change occurring before the JOD is entered but after an agreement is signed, I think that Mackowski and "good cause" threshold rather than the higher Lepis threshold would apply as, even if there is an agreement, there's no "finality" to it, certainly not before a JOD is entered. Of course, as others said, if everything can be shown to be in good faith, then the first step would be to return to mediation and address it there.

    On the second issue since the thread was hijacked to a degree ...    I agree that in most cases a MOU should be signed at the end of mediation when possible. Especially in an emotion-laden case, the dynamic leading to settlement can be lost and people fall back into "positions" rather than "interests", emotions can kick in (I gave away the Peyton Manning Boobleheads?! What was I thinking?!) and it can break down. I've often used "subject to verification" / permitting additional discovery or documents being produced to confirm representations that were key to reaching an agreement (e.g., "there are the numbers for ED, but if it turns out there was other than usual use of an account, we can come back, etc).

    Whether counsel goes depends to me on the complexity, level of assets, and - very much - the personalities involved. If both are ready to get it done, are not emotional, and are smart enough, I'd let them go to a mediator without counsel present. But, of course, no signing of an agreement before it's reviewed. If there's any dominating / submissive personalities involved, I'd insist on counsel being there.


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  • 38.  RE: Changed circumstances after mediation agreement and signing of PSA

    Posted 06-02-2017 07:59 PM
    I would say that we have ALL settled difficult cases and you are correct that sometimes it takes alot of pushing and pulling. However, IF a settlement is reached, at least that client has had the benefit of having legal guidance from his/her own lawyer in making that decision. All, I think, I am saying is that clients have a right to discuss the terms of a mediated agreement with their attorneys IF the attorneys are not in attendance at the Mediation
    Also, of course, all litigants can, if they wish, choose not to be represented.