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$25 fee for Gold Seal on QDRO's??

  • 1.  $25 fee for Gold Seal on QDRO's??

    Posted 02-27-2017 06:01 PM
    I recently submitted two (2) signed QDRO's to a Judge for entry in a case venued in Warren County.  My office then received a call from the Judge's law clerk stating there is a $25 for each gold seal. I was not aware there were any fees for a gold seal to be placed on a filed QDRO seeing how many Plan Administrators require/request them.

    Has this happened to anyone else?  Can anyone point me to a fee schedule or notice confirming there is such a fee for gold seals on a QDRO?

    Interesting point - I also sent a signed QDRO to a different Judge in the same County (Warren) approximately 1 month ago and received it back signed by the Judge with a gold seal and there was no mention of any fee being owed.

    Thanks,

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  • 2.  RE: $25 fee for Gold Seal on QDRO's??

    Posted 02-27-2017 06:17 PM

    Yes, just today we got a "non-conforming document" form letter with a handwritten note asking for $25 for a certified copy of the QDRO we had sent to Judge Jorgensen.

     

    I also was told on a post-judgment motion where I was not the divorce attorney, the fees for my office to file a motion were $100.00. $50.00 for a notice of appearance (no substitution because the 45 days has expired since the JOD) and $50.00 for the motion filing fee. This was the second time this has happened in cases I have handled.  This Notice of Appearance fee is the really objectionable one because a pro se litigant does not have to file one, so my client is penalized for the privilege of having an attorney represent him.

     

    Robert E. Goldstein, Esq.
    Drescher & Cheslow, P.A.

    610 Bridge Plaza Drive

    Manalapan, NJ 07726

    (732) 972-1600
    Fax (732) 972-0038
    E-mail: [email protected]

     

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  • 3.  RE: $25 fee for Gold Seal on QDRO's??

    Posted 02-27-2017 06:58 PM

    My firm was also called by the clerk in Mercer.  The fee is $25 for the Gold Seal but only $15 for Certified Copies.  Refer to your plan administrator to see which they require. Our plan administrator only required filed certified copies.

    Marcia

     

    Marcia N. Leach, Esq.

    Strich Law Firm P.C.

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  • 4.  RE: $25 fee for Gold Seal on QDRO's??

    Posted 02-27-2017 07:27 PM
    Regarding Bob's comment and the appearance fee:  Rule 5:4-3(a) provides "Except as otherwise provided by paragraph (b) hereof or by any other rule or statute, a defendant in a family action shall file an answer in accordance with R. 4:5-3 or a general appearance and, without filing an answer, be heard on issues of custody of children, parenting time or visitation, alimony, child support, equitable distribution, counsel fees and other issues incidental to the proceeding. A defendant may also file an acknowledgment of service in accordance with R. 4:4-6."  Rule 5:3-4(b) states "(b) Appearances. Where no answer is filed, attorneys representing any party to a proceeding shall enter their appearances promptly with the clerk of the court and, insofar as practicable, shall notify the clerk of the length of time it is anticipated the hearing or trial will take. In summary actions the attorneys, no later than 5 days prior to the date set for the hearing or trial, shall notify the clerk as to whether the matter is contested or uncontested. The parties and their counsel shall be afforded a reasonable time in which to prepare for the hearing or trial in all matters."

    Obviously, the rules state you file either the answer or an appearance; you cannot be charged for both.  

    I think the real issue is that there are very few rules that address the unique nature of our post-judgment litigation.  The obvious reason is because post judgment litigation is not a new matter; it is the continuation of a prior matter. The filing of a post judgment motion by new counsel within 45 days of the entry of the JOD should require the filing of a substitution of attorney and the motion fee.  After 45 days, there is no attorney of record; there is no substitution required; the filing of the motion should suffice.  Otherwise, under the current interpretation (after 45 days an appearance must be filed and paid for) should also apply to the divorce attorney who files a post judgment modification application 5 years down the line.

    I wonder if a new attorney files for post conviction relief in a criminal matter, does that new attorney have to file and pay for a substitution of attorney as well as a motion filing fee if the motion is filed within 45 days?  Or, does that new attorney have to file and pay for a notice of appearance as well as a motion filing fee if the motion is filed after the 45 days?  

    Answers, anyone?





  • 5.  RE: $25 fee for Gold Seal on QDRO's??

    Posted 02-28-2017 08:30 AM
    Noel:

    Check out Rule 1:43 and this: http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/forms/11112_courtfees.pdf#page7

    Robert E. Goldstein, Esq.
    Drescher& Cheslow, P.A.
    610 Bridge Plaza Drive
    Manalapan, NJ 07726
    www.drescher-cheslow.com
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  • 6.  RE: $25 fee for Gold Seal on QDRO's??

    Posted 02-28-2017 08:35 AM
    And I note there is nothing in the actual Rule 1:43 to authorize a notice of appearance fee for a post-judgment dissolution matter.

    Robert E. Goldstein, Esq.
    Drescher& Cheslow, P.A.
    610 Bridge Plaza Drive
    Manalapan, NJ 07726
    www.drescher-cheslow.com
    www.mydivorcelawyernj.com




  • 7.  RE: $25 fee for Gold Seal on QDRO's??

    Posted 02-28-2017 08:54 AM
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    This whole thing has gotten out of hand. I filed a post judgement emancipation motion on a 20 year old case quite some time ago. The return date was upon me and I received a courtesy call from the Judge's Law Clerk to let me know that, while the Judge had received his courtesy copy it was not in the system, so he couldn't return it. It was going unopposed, but could not be found. About one month later it cam back to me in the mail. It needed to be refiled with an Appearance and a second $50 check.

    I called my adversary to ask if it was in fact going unopposed, thinking we could just do a workaround by entering into a Consent Order. He replied that he had filed a Cross-Motion, but it was returned to him because my motion was not in the system.

    I guess you  have to file an Appearance and an extra fifty bucks if you're new to the case and filing an opposition to a motion... What about a Consent Order?

    Next they'll be telling us we need to file an Appearance to file an Appearance.

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  • 8.  RE: $25 fee for Gold Seal on QDRO's??

    Posted 02-28-2017 10:49 AM

    Curtis,

      You are correct-completely out of hand.

      Appearances are not required except for new cases. Doesn't matter that the case is old. 20 years of practicing law and I've never had to do that.

      I would call the most senior administrator I could find and request proof that it is required.

      The counties are freelancing and the AOC wants to operate as a profit center.

      Whatever happened to "best practices?"

    Best,

    Ed

     

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  • 9.  RE: $25 fee for Gold Seal on QDRO's??

    Posted 02-28-2017 11:51 AM

    Edward:

     

    The clerk of Superior Court has confirmed that the counties must obtain these fees, regardless of the fact that they do not appear to be authorized by court rule or statute.

     

    Robert E. Goldstein, Esq.
    Drescher & Cheslow, P.A.

    610 Bridge Plaza Drive

    Manalapan, NJ 07726

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  • 10.  RE: $25 fee for Gold Seal on QDRO's??

    Posted 02-28-2017 12:18 PM

    Robert,

      Well, somebody high up in the NJSBA should protest.

      Attorneys are required to follow court rules and statutes. How about the courts?

    Ed

     

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  • 11.  RE: $25 fee for Gold Seal on QDRO's??

    Posted 02-28-2017 05:31 PM

    Tom Prol, NJSBA President, wrote to Judge Grant about this and the response he received was not helpful. The letter Tom wrote was published and I am sure you can find it online.

     

    Robert E. Goldstein, Esq.
    Drescher & Cheslow, P.A.

    610 Bridge Plaza Drive

    Manalapan, NJ 07726

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  • 12.  RE: $25 fee for Gold Seal on QDRO's??

    Posted 02-28-2017 06:39 PM
    You are right, Bob. Despite countless hours and letters and meetings with the NJSBA, the Court was only willing to stop charging for the first gold seal on the Final Judgment of Divorce, but that was really the only change that was made in response to our repeated complaining. 

    This filing fee money has been largely earmarked for bail reform and they are holding on to every penny for dear life. 

    Jeralyn 







  • 13.  RE: $25 fee for Gold Seal on QDRO's??

    Posted 03-01-2017 09:16 AM
    I'm telling you... they need to do bake sales instead.

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    Curtis Romanowski Esq.
    Senior Attorney - Proprietor
    (732)603-8585
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  • 14.  RE: $25 fee for Gold Seal on QDRO's??

    Posted 03-01-2017 05:15 PM
    I just received a call from Ocean saying that I'm not attorney of record in a postjudgment case. I was a year and a half ago when the last action occurred, but I'm being told I need to substitute in as well as paying the motion fee since it's over 45 days. Let me join those saying - this BS. And what are we supposed to do? Waste 20 minutes writing a complaint letter - wasting time that could've been used productively? Or bill a client .3 - more than $35? This is what they're counting on, like nuisance lawsuits.

    How's this - we raise the marginal income tax by half a percent on incomes over $300,000 and increase the judiciary's budget? Or 1% of all personal injury judgments over $500,000 to offset judiciary costs? Something other than what they're doing?



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  • 15.  RE: $25 fee for Gold Seal on QDRO's??

    Posted 03-01-2017 05:33 PM
    David:

    They do not know what they are talking about? If I understand you correctly, you were the last attorney in the case for your client, and now they want a substitution of attorney? How can you substitute in for yourself?

    In your case, since you are the last attorney in the case, you should not even have to file a Notice of Appearance or pay that extra $50.00, although just this morning an attorney told me he was told he had to file a notice of appearance on a post-judgment motion under the same situation as yours!

    What county is your case in?

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    Robert Goldstein Esq.
    Manalapan NJ
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  • 16.  RE: $25 fee for Gold Seal on QDRO's??

    Posted 02-27-2017 11:41 PM
    Sent from my iPad




  • 17.  RE: $25 fee for Gold Seal on QDRO's??

    Posted 03-01-2017 04:38 PM

    Hello everyone,
    Following is a link to the letter from NJSBA President Thomas H. Prol to Hon. Glenn A. Grant, dated Sept. 30, 2016, regarding filing fee increases.

    Click here for the letter

    Have a great evening everyone,

    Barbara



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  • 18.  RE: $25 fee for Gold Seal on QDRO's??

    Posted 03-01-2017 05:22 PM

    Barbara and others,

      There really are two separate problems. The first is that the AOC imposed unreasonable and excessive fees, which is covered by Mr. Prol's letter. The second is that some of the counties are fabricating their own rules and fees, such as the need to file an "appearance" or a substitution of attorney form for a post-judgment action, more than 45 days after a previous order or judgment. There is no rule that requires either an appearance or a substitution of attorney form under these circumcstances. Please see David Perry Davis's post.

    Thanks,

    Ed

     

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    Zohn & Zohn, LLP; 7 Mount Bethel Road, Warren NJ 07059

    908.791.0312 voice; 908.660.4866 fax

    "Leges sine moribus vanae" (Laws without morals are useless) - U. of Penna. Motto

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  • 19.  RE: $25 fee for Gold Seal on QDRO's??

    Posted 03-01-2017 05:34 PM
    Ed:

    Write an op ed to the NJLJ and also please complain to Michelle Smith.

    We should all be writing letters to the NJLJ.

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    Robert Goldstein Esq.
    Manalapan NJ
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