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FRO Hearing question

  • 1.  FRO Hearing question

    Posted 10-20-2015 02:32 PM


    I'm posting the following on behalf of a colleague not on this list serv:

    Father (defendant) wants to subpoena the parties' 15 year old son (who was present in the marital home during an altercation) to testify at his parents FRO hearing.  Is there case law to prevent children testifying against their parents?

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  • 2.  RE: FRO Hearing question

    Posted 10-20-2015 02:57 PM

    not that I know of, but maybe someone has a case or two.

     

    my thought is the obvious practical one:

    every judge I have ever handled a DV in front of, will really, really resist putting that boy on the witness stand.

     

     

     

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  • 3.  RE: FRO Hearing question

    Posted 10-20-2015 05:27 PM

    The 15 year old can testify if, like any witness, he has sufficient mental capacity and ability to communicate.

    This may put him in an uncomfortable position vis a vis the target parent, but it's not always pleasant when we have to choose witnesses in these cases.

    I once called an 18 year old as a DV FRO witness in his parents' hearing, and he absolutely made our client's case.

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    FRO Hearing question

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    Oct 20, 2015 2:32 PM

    Ann Fabrikant, Esq

     

    I'm posting the following on behalf of a colleague not on this list serv:

    Father (defendant) wants to subpoena the parties' 15 year old son (who was present in the marital home during an altercation) to testify at his parents FRO hearing.  Is there case law to prevent children testifying against their parents?

    Thanks!

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    East Brunswick, NJ
    (732) 659-4109
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  • 4.  RE: FRO Hearing question

    Posted 10-21-2015 10:12 AM
    If no objection from opposing counsel, you can request the Court to interview child in chambers as opposed to putting him on witness stand. Attorneys can be  present or submit questions and/or tape conversation to preserve record
     
     
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  • 5.  RE: FRO Hearing question

    Posted 10-21-2015 10:17 AM

    Generally in Bergen the Judge's are opposed to having a child (even an unemancipated adult) testify in a DV, and even the proposal of same can raise ire.

     

     

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  • 6.  RE: FRO Hearing question

    Posted 10-21-2015 10:56 AM


    Yes - there is no set age that renders a witness incapable of testifying. If the witness knows the difference between the truth and a lie and understands that there are negative consequences for lying, they can testify. 

    Like others have mentioned, I've had a couple of cases where a child eyewitness (once a 12 year old, once a 10 year old) had to testify. And in both cases, it absolutely saved the day. To be blunt - it sucks to have to put a child in the middle of something like this. But the stakes are so high in a DV case that it sometimes cannot be avoided.

    If a judge refused to permit a child witness to testify, I'd get a proffer on the record as to what the child would say -- regardless of whether this will raise the ire of a judge. If your only choice is to either not represent your client or to fall off the judge's Christmas card list, then so be it. I'm not going to say (to myself nor a client) "yes, I know your child saw the whole thing and could have cleared you, but I didn't want to raise the judge's ire by calling him/her."

    If a court refused to permit you to call a child witness (as a result of ire or another reason), you'd have a very, very solid chance of having the appellate division reverse a resulting FRO.

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  • 7.  RE: FRO Hearing question

    Posted 10-21-2015 11:14 AM
    Consider this: What happens if the judge refuses to let the child testify and you then assert that the witness is 'unavailable' as that term is defined in the exceptions to excludable hearsay? Does that render virtually anything the child ever said,  admissible through the mouth of your client as an allowed exception. 
     
    I raised the same issue at a seminar once ......and received anything but a unified answer from panelists and judges alike.   The reason I raised it --- is that before any matrimonial trial involving custody, I have made it my practice to always ask court to decide UP FRONT whether kids will be called or interviewed during the case.  I ask for a ruling before my client testifies, because who knows what to have my client say about what his or her kid said ----- if I don't know yet whether they are ultimately going to be declared 'unavailable' because the court simply won't allow them to testify.
     
    I argue forcefully that my client can say (repeat) anything she says the kids told her.....unless the court says the kids can testify.  If judge agrees with me, trial is about four days shorter without having the client say  what the kids said to him or her, only to be rebutted by what the other side claims they said. Both sides can and do go on forever about what the child said outside court ----- if you give them permission to bring all that hearsay in through the side door, based on the witness being 'unavailable'.
     
    That would be my strategy in a DV case as well as a custody FM matter. 

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  • 8.  RE: FRO Hearing question

    Posted 10-21-2015 11:31 AM
    Does it make a difference why the judge is not permitting the child to testify? What if the judge doesn't allow the testimony because she finds the child to be an incompetent witness? I've never had this come up. Maybe somebody out there has researched if an incompetent witness is considered an unavailable witness for hearsay rule purposes?

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  • 9.  RE: FRO Hearing question

    Posted 10-22-2015 09:12 AM


    Agree with David and Hanan.

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  • 10.  RE: FRO Hearing question

    Posted 10-21-2015 05:48 PM

    I agree with David.  It's difficult to put parent and child in that position, but the parent who needs the child as a witness is in a desperate place.

    If for reasons of psychological or physical safety, the parent refuses the suggestion to call the child as a witness, or the child refuses to become involved, I will honor the decision.  Both parent and child have to be in full agreement, or I will not call the child.

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    Re: FRO Hearing question

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    Oct 21, 2015 10:56 AM

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    Yes - there is no set age that renders a witness incapable of testifying. If the witness knows the difference between the truth and a lie and understands that there are negative consequences for lying, they can testify. 

    Like others have mentioned, I've had a couple of cases where a child eyewitness (once a 12 year old, once a 10 year old) had to testify. And in both cases, it absolutely saved the day. To be blunt - it sucks to have to put a child in the middle of something like this. But the stakes are so high in a DV case that it sometimes cannot be avoided.

    If a judge refused to permit a child witness to testify, I'd get a proffer on the record as to what the child would say -- regardless of whether this will raise the ire of a judge. If your only choice is to either not represent your client or to fall off the judge's Christmas card list, then so be it. I'm not going to say (to myself nor a client) "yes, I know your child saw the whole thing and could have cleared you, but I didn't want to raise the judge's ire by calling him/her."

    If a court refused to permit you to call a child witness (as a result of ire or another reason), you'd have a very, very solid chance of having the appellate division reverse a resulting FRO.

    _______________________
    David Perry Davis, Esq.

    112 West Franklin Avenue

    Pennington, NJ 08534

    www.FamilyLawNJ.pro 

    Voice: 609-737-2222

    Fax: 609-737-3222

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    David Perry Davis, Esq.
    112 West Franklin Avenue
    Pennington, NJ 08534
    www.FamilyLawNJ.pro
    Voice: 609-737-2222
    Fax: 609-737-3222
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    Generally in Bergen the Judge's are opposed to having a child (even an unemancipated adult) testify in a DV, and even the proposal of same can raise ire.

     

     

    Marion B. Solomon

     

    Marion B. Solomon, Esq.

    Arons & Solomon, PA

    One University Plaza

    Hackensack, NJ 07601

    201-342-7610

     

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